Fucking traitorous scum
Torvalds’s first publicly released chatbot code was in January this year, when he vibe-coded a project in Python because he didn’t know enough Python. The programming language kids learn in high school. The guy who runs the kernel couldn’t get his head around Python.
I’m pissed at the AI companies for all kinds of things like hiking computer parts prices and the impending destruction of the economy when the
lieshype dies. But this is a weak ass argument.The guy who created the Linux kernel and git can absolutely get his head around Python. He’s just allocating his time and energy toward kernel development rather than learning Python and rightly so. Besides, maybe he just hates the language. I know I do, but I started with Perl, so that shaped the way I like to work.
He could get his head around python if he wanted to, that statement is laughable.
because he didn’t know enough Python. The programming language kids learn in high school. The guy who runs the kernel couldn’t get his head around Python.
This is such an ignorant thing to say. Python syntax is indeed simple and is taught in high schools, but neither means learning to program in Python is easy or doesn’t take a lot of time.
But learning python is easy and takes no time for an experienced dev. The language is just shite.
Sure. But that’s like an English literature scholar deciding they want to write a pamphlet, but in French, despite knowing very little French – so instead of learning French, or just writing the pamphlet in English, or asking someone who knows French to translate…they use AI to write the thing. That’s really stupid.
I know I do, but I started with perl
Throwing rocks from a glass house I see ;)
Perl has scope delimiters, so a sturdy glass house.
perl accepts perlin noise as valid perl programs so scope delimiters don’t mean much.
So does Python /s
Just create a new file or a top level function
except that it breaks my debugging strategy, where I left-align debug code so I can easily spot it and remove it later.
He’s just allocating his time and energy toward kernel development
Then he should have stuck to his lane.
Absolutely. If you don’t have time to do anything else, just fucking stay away from it. Don’t fucking pretend to contribute to an area, while in reality you’re just polluting it and destroying the natural environment at the same time.
We just need more volunteers? Isn’t it just that the development is on such few people?
I’ll take a neutral source to read this, because the headline suggests this article is at the very least over hyping and at worst plain lying
Been a bit of a bother trying to find the actual info and not a rage piece that makes FOX News look sane. And I don’t touch that agency with an 11ft pole.
From what I remember reading, Linus uses LLMs to help during bug hunting - the second pair of eyes. This is actually a useful part of the AI models - they may be awful at code writing, but they do seem to have some capability when looking over code as a first line proofer. That is, it’s useful for you to get a direction as to where to look further with issues.
As for the Assisted-By tag being removed, it was a matter that no one was really using it, making it functionally useless.
AI imo is good at finding potential issues or places to optimize but it shouldn’t be writing code on the kernel. It’s up to the human to investigate and adjust, not AI slop.
This article seems biased given how emotional it is. It could be entirely factually correct yet still misrepresent the situation. For example, there’s no mention of the patch criteria or review procedure, which is such an important part of fairly covering this topic that omitting it is actively malicious.
I’ll be waiting for fair coverage of the situation from a reputable news source, not a website whose sole purpose is to make AI and its users look bad.
Linus Torvalds has been AI curious for a while. He went on Linus Sebastian’s YouTube channel, Linus Tech Tips, in November last year. He was clearly well into the chatbot already: [YouTube]
That’s reality. Deal with it. That genie is out of the bottle. You’re not getting it back. And you’re not getting it back whether you are a photographer who’s out of work. Those things are gone, right? Because you can fake pictures so much better now. Or you’re a programmer that has to learn to deal with a new reality.
I think actually on the programming side, we’re in a fairly good spot. I really think that AI will be a tool and it will make people more productive. I think that vibe coding is great for getting into programming. I think it’s going to be a horrible thing to maintain.
Uhh…
That could be why he also said it’s time to make it harder to get started committing to Linux. As in, no vibe coding newbies wanted, patches will be accepted from people who actually know how the kernel works
Yikes, I wasn’t aware that he had said that. That’s a completely terrible mistake. It’s the same mistake that corporations have been warned about for a while now: if you stop hiring and training junior developers, pretty you won’t have any senior developers because the pipeline that produces the seniors has been dismantled. What a terrible thing AI is turning out to be. The comparison to asbestos was apt.
I think we have bigger problems in life than judging a person by their own actions. Like sure, go waste your time. But you better invest it into a fork of the kernel. Because you know, you can fork it. Or just not use it. You have the freedom to do whatever you want. Choosing to just insult shows how bitter and frustrated you are.
Do you think it’s bad when people try to get others to stop making the world a worse place, even if it’s subjective and you might disagree?
I have an issue with calling someone “traitorous scum”, just because they use an LLM.
That’s reasonable, I don’t think calling anyone scum is acceptable either.
Lmao fuck no.
I think we have bigger problems in life than judging a person by their own actions.
Umm FUUUUUUUUUCK no.
We absolutely do not have bigger problems in life than not holding people accountable for their own actions. The problem is that a literal felon, and pedophile, is not being held accountable for their actions. Not being judged for them. And one of them is pardoning criminal after criminal after criminal
That one person not being judged by their own actions has created most of the problems that are affecting the most amount of people right now as we are arguing on lemmy
What in the Epstein hell are you on about with this.
Dude. He just used an LLM. Calm down.
Uh huh, sure go normalize defering delaying and denying responsibility for our own actions.
Do you not see the fucking irony of you telling me that in this point in history?
That’s not what I said. But obviously, at least to me, there is a difference between a pedophile and an LLM user. This is a continuous scale, not a discreet one with two options.
I agree with holding people accountable, if they are criminals. Anything else is just not my business and I couldn’t care less about them. If it is a problem for me, I just walk away.
Use the enemy’s weapons against them.
Well… Guess we’re all fucked now.
I’m currently looking into forking the Linux kernel. Worst thing that can happen is that it fails, or I have to change professions.
I’ll start with fuck AI, but it does feel like most of the people commenting here only know about coding and AI from stories around a campfire.
A good developer will consider the tools and choose the ones that are beneficial. It’s crazy that people think somebody like Linus will suddenly be useless because of AI.
If you take all of the civilization level atrocities being committed constantly by ai companies and their fascist supporters…eh maybe?
I think
moredevelopers and engineers need to work on their busted ass moral compasses.Developers and engineers aren’t fans of AI. It’s our stolen work being used to try and surpress our wages & replace our trade.
Unfortunately, there’s enough engineers going along with it and supporting it for various reasons that I’m terrified that the turbulence and volatility in our industry has only truly just begun.
When part of the bubble pops and what’s left of vc cash dries up, there’s going to be a great convenient consolidation around government and military applications just in time for global conflict to give it more fuel and another big downward shake.
Also need to unionize!
Software engineer writing code for a living, day in, day out for over a decade. I’m completely self taught and never went to uni, and got my first role at 20, if that means anything. I trust nothing from Claude. We just had a “write no code have claude complete in automode”. Nope. It’s horrible. We even had it write the jira stories. Complete shit.
And yet, from experience as a software dev currently on job hunt because his company is switching mostly only AI developing, that is not what companies are doing and not what a lot of devs seem to be doing. They’ll vibe code and see it as done
In the near future (and I suspect it’s quite sooner than we thought) all those companies’ codebase will turn into mostly slopcode that no one there will have enough knowledge about it. They will eventually hit a timeline where only AI agents could still do a thing about it and that will be a huge crash for them. It’s suppose to be a tool, they act like it’s everything they need. Maybe we’ll even see that their software is changing inconsistently in every major update because they have to vibe-code it from scratch every time.
Oh no, didn’t you see? Ai agents are gonna start self replicating on smart devices everywhere and become their own botnet!
I don’t mind it IF the programmer using it does it while understanding what is churned out and how it works, ergo, if he is skilled enough to use his AI only as a tool to save time.
If he has no expertise and the code is completely unverified and uncontrolled, then it’s slop.
No one should be surprised.
Man’s got a massive ego problem, and has done for years. Of course he’d think his AI code is good.
Thanks, I thought I was in a minority thinking he is losing his marbles, but the upvotes you got say there’s more people realizing that.
he’d think his AI code is god.
Give it time.
No need. The Ppl behind GBT are litterly lobbying the pope to recognize their AI has a soul
That I know that’s really a thing makes me want to have a physical tantrum over how stupid and frustrating it is
Only TempleOS is safe now
Praise him*.
*Terry A. Davis
Maybe I’ll give BSD another go
