Works in theory, but not in practice, as there are no tools that can tell 100% reliably if something was written by AI.
Best way IMO to test students is via oral exams. Let them explain certain things and topics they allegedly wrote about in their thesis; that way you can quickly see who actually bothered to learn and understand and not only let their thesis write by AI.
oh but some professors and even TA have thier own things to do, like research, research papers. when i was in university last decade one of professors was doing STEM research outside of class on the side, which took most of his attention away from the class the whole semester, the TA wasnt any better she had her own MS thesis/research to do at the same time. basically dint learn anything with animal/bio physiology. he even went to another country for that research during the semester. the only DRs/phds that do have times are the ones in city colleges that tends to have classes as tough as ivy league universities, since they dont do any research at all.
and then biochem 1 teacher had so many bad reviews on rmf, she evens said herself that her “research lab takes priority” paraphrased so she does minimal court lectures, and convoluted tests.
There was this cool initiative by a professor who is a friend of mine. He would give a pretty standard homework, but then the additional instructions were to complete said homework using an LLM. Then, the students would have to write, by hand, an analysis of all that the LLM got wrong, or could’ve done better. They then proceeded to discuss their analysis in class. Participating in the discussion with actual meaningful arguments was half of the points, the other half being the quality of the handwritten analysis.
It was more work, but at least the fuckers quickly appreciated that the machine was actually shit at doing their homework, and even if it could pass, it would be with the bare minimum. It also pruned the students who actually wanted to learn from the slackers who were just wasting their parent’s money.
It’s also important for parents to genuinly take an interest in their children’s education. Help them understand why we don’t use AI for school-work. And be there for them when they need help so they don’t have to resort to AI when it feels hopeless.
I remember a study we all read when I was working as a sub teacher. Ages 7 - 12. How much time does an average parent spend talking to their child on an average day. Giving commands is not talking for the purpose of the study.
5 minutes. It was 5-6 minutes. It explains a lot doesn’t it.
There are plenty of negligent parents out there, but also plenty who don’t have the time because they gotta pay those bills that crept up on them, especially in this economy.
They are fine with cheating as long as you are using microsoft peoducts.
My uni gives everyone multiple chatbot accounts. (Paid by our tuition money no doubt)
Also all programming general events since I became a student have been “Make app for X purposes but with AI in it.”
I seen a TA open up their grok history when I asked why my answer to an exam question was wrong.
Universities don’t actually give shit about “academic integrity,” they simply want to buy bunch of microsoft products and call it a day.
Related Rant:
Recently had one professor try a “group exam” and worked with people requiring chatgpt to do “that one recursive fibonacci assignment.”
I think I have changed as a person.
they only care about the cash cow, aka freshmans who are coming in every semesters, everyone else is on thier own, especially with career track development very underuitilized in state schools.
Classify it as a cheating tool.
Works in theory, but not in practice, as there are no tools that can tell 100% reliably if something was written by AI. Best way IMO to test students is via oral exams. Let them explain certain things and topics they allegedly wrote about in their thesis; that way you can quickly see who actually bothered to learn and understand and not only let their thesis write by AI.
They should bring back oral exams and blue books.
This is it. Stop it with these take-home test. Homework was always bullshit.
But then professors and teachers would have to think themselves instead of regurgitating the same lesson plan and worksheets from two decades ago
Hot take incoming: good public school teachers are criminally underpaid. Most teachers are paid exactly what they’re worth.
oh but some professors and even TA have thier own things to do, like research, research papers. when i was in university last decade one of professors was doing STEM research outside of class on the side, which took most of his attention away from the class the whole semester, the TA wasnt any better she had her own MS thesis/research to do at the same time. basically dint learn anything with animal/bio physiology. he even went to another country for that research during the semester. the only DRs/phds that do have times are the ones in city colleges that tends to have classes as tough as ivy league universities, since they dont do any research at all.
and then biochem 1 teacher had so many bad reviews on rmf, she evens said herself that her “research lab takes priority” paraphrased so she does minimal court lectures, and convoluted tests.
There was this cool initiative by a professor who is a friend of mine. He would give a pretty standard homework, but then the additional instructions were to complete said homework using an LLM. Then, the students would have to write, by hand, an analysis of all that the LLM got wrong, or could’ve done better. They then proceeded to discuss their analysis in class. Participating in the discussion with actual meaningful arguments was half of the points, the other half being the quality of the handwritten analysis.
It was more work, but at least the fuckers quickly appreciated that the machine was actually shit at doing their homework, and even if it could pass, it would be with the bare minimum. It also pruned the students who actually wanted to learn from the slackers who were just wasting their parent’s money.
I was with you up to the writing by hand part.
It’s also important for parents to genuinly take an interest in their children’s education. Help them understand why we don’t use AI for school-work. And be there for them when they need help so they don’t have to resort to AI when it feels hopeless.
I remember a study we all read when I was working as a sub teacher. Ages 7 - 12. How much time does an average parent spend talking to their child on an average day. Giving commands is not talking for the purpose of the study.
5 minutes. It was 5-6 minutes. It explains a lot doesn’t it.
There are plenty of negligent parents out there, but also plenty who don’t have the time because they gotta pay those bills that crept up on them, especially in this economy.
They are fine with cheating as long as you are using microsoft peoducts.
My uni gives everyone multiple chatbot accounts. (Paid by our tuition money no doubt)
Also all programming general events since I became a student have been “Make app for X purposes but with AI in it.”
I seen a TA open up their grok history when I asked why my answer to an exam question was wrong.
Universities don’t actually give shit about “academic integrity,” they simply want to buy bunch of microsoft products and call it a day.
Related Rant:
Recently had one professor try a “group exam” and worked with people requiring chatgpt to do “that one recursive fibonacci assignment.”
I think I have changed as a person.
they only care about the cash cow, aka freshmans who are coming in every semesters, everyone else is on thier own, especially with career track development very underuitilized in state schools.