lol what?

I will say there is a problem worldwide, thanks to the level of discourse on social media, with people having much more shallow understanding and much more “punchy” takes without any shred of nuance (like your take). That’s not an “American left” problem. The death of nuance has eroded the entire level of discourse regardless of ideology. Worldwide. It’s why a take such as yours is even debated and not thrown right away as a trash, shallow, meaningless take.

You can ignore 95% of what I said and refuse to engage on any of those points while continuing to repeat a weak, nuance-free take with zero basis in anything anyone else can agree is happening outside of someone misunderstanding

Are you conflating the Democratic Party with the “American left?” That would be exactly where your problem lies.

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I mean, I def get what you’re saying. I do. But do you really have anti-genocide Americans saying something about “Americans should lead this movement?” Because that’s an insane take I can’t imagine you’ve really run into in the wild.

The US is the worst perpetrator of colonialist violence, no doubt.

“I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you want to move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility.

What if I flipped this and said this is the exact rationale Israel is using against the population of Palestine? The population who’s been too young to have anything to do with anything Hamas has done, but they’re getting punished for it?

My point isn’t that the US has no blame. I don’t think you can actually find a US leftist who believes that. And if any US leftist is throwing blame all over the world without recognizing the history of the US? I mean, they’re beyond stupid.

My point is…why subdivide us further? The left is being repressed all over the world while fascism takes root once again. And your biggest gripe is…people who were born into a place? We should not be finding ways to take the high road over each other. Because there is a global rise of fascism while an active genocide takes place. And you’re here—if I can borrow a phrase—moralizing. To a T. You are claiming your biggest problem is with other people who agree with you, but who aren’t as pure of heart as you? You’re the real anti genocide crusader because ____?

Why. Why are we constantly using our morals and ideologies as cudgels against other people who would agree with us if we weren’t actively trying to find differences between us? We, the global working class should not be doing the work of the ruling class. And finding reasons to hate and belittle other working class people for generalized reasons beyond their control is very much doing the work for them.

So please stop. We have the most powerful tool of communication and global community at our fingertips and we’re using it to further divisions among the working class. When we could so easily harness it and mobilize a general strike that would cripple the ruling class in a matter of days. But this kind of moralizing you’re doing that is so common online (because corporations made social media and gave us an avenue to wear our ideas like patches, crippling three entire generations because we can’t see past that way of thinking) is the only thing stopping us.

c/SocialismIsWhenCapitalism

Yeah, look into that group and you’ll find some truly batshit nonsense like a “medical rights and advocacy group” spreading anti-vax bullshit like the “spike protein shedding” theory. What in the fuck

That bullshit about lockdowns having some ripple effect on freedoms being taken away in some anti democratic crackdown on liberties or whatever is very quickly disproven when you look at the economy’s response to lockdown. You think they’re going to tank the economy to limit your freedoms? No, they’ll shred your freedoms to make stock values go up by .2%.

“Google is making it easier for Google to pry into your personal data.”

“Water is making it easier for water to make you wet.”

The list of previous searches on his iPhone included “Which month is april in islam,” “Festivals happening near me,” “are suicide attacks haram in islam,” “ginger isis member,” “lone wolf terrorists isis,” and “can tou kill a woman who foesnt[sic] wear hijab.”

lol of course he’s a fucking idiot

You mean three weeks into summer? We started our summer with a massive heatwave where I am.

The word “could” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence

I’m in one of the bluest. Our police and FBI are not “blue.” American spy forces and “committee on anti-American activities”-ass motherfuckers are not kind or just, no matter the voting tendencies of the populace.

How many decades have we seen far right terror groups overlooked for anti-capitalist leftists? The left threatens the status quo, the right fortifies it. The blue and red dichotomy is the status quo. The democrats support the genocide in Palestine. Going against that status quo makes you not safe from government crackdowns, the party in power is completely irrelevant.

If I were you I’d send this to some media outlets. Tank some AI stock and create some more negative news around it.

News outlets.

You guys can’t think there are seriously paid bots on lemmy. There are like 10,000 users. It’s basically a niche message board. Reddit is a valuable target because it has millions of users. Facebook, instagram, Twitter. These places are being astroturfed. But lemmy? I honestly don’t believe it. It doesn’t even have a core of users in any particular country. The small user base is spread all over the world. It just isn’t a target of these campaigns.

People are complicated. Everyone always points to “all that anti Kamala talk ended right after the election!” Yeah, maybe a lot of the pro-Palestinian anti Kamala people saying they wouldn’t vote for her stopped speaking so publicly because the reality of the other option sunk in. That doesn’t mean those people are paid trolls or bots. It means their argument got much more difficult when trump started plotting out his Gaza hotel. Those feelings are still legitimate. The feeling of not being able to sign your name to the lesser of two evils when that “lesser” is still funding and arming the genocidal force. People couldn’t swallow that on a personal level. But as soon as trump was elected, because it was one of two options, for the sake of not being angrily brigades, people stopped talking about it.

It’s a much more nuanced issue than bots on lemmy.

Yeah, I mean outside the US WhatsApp is basically texting for everyone I’ve met. It’s definitely accomplished that. I just can’t imagine something that massive not being used to spy. Especially given that it’s free. I don’t imagine they’re above reading messages. Because all of that server power and access worldwide, they’re definitely prying somehow. Like we are just now finding out they’ve been circumventing VPNs and all methods to block their cookies? It’s literally impossible they’re not prying data out of WhatsApp users.

But google and Gmail are massive spying machines. They’re not just cultural impact loss leaders.

I would bet a ton of money on WhatsApp being a spy machine in a way people don’t know yet. Their bullshit of end to end encryption and privacy while being a free app is undoubtedly some ruse to squeeze data out of people. There isn’t a fucking doubt in my mind.

Facebook is owning and operating a free and private messaging service? To what end? Yeah, nah. Not fuckin buying it.

I feel like we all very, very clearly knew it already.

Yeah, well there are a ton of people literally falling into psychosis, led by LLMs. So it’s unfortunately not that many people that already knew it.

When neo Nazi terror cells are actively training for acts of violence and making open calls for new members, the dystopia is no longer “boring.” It’s actively murderous and hateful.