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    I’m not super well versed in the Bible but this has to be blasphemous, no?
    A machine pretending to be Jesus? Ain’t that a false idol?

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      https://biblehub.com/q/was_jesus_omniscient.htm

      Omniscience refers to the ability to know all things-past, present, and future-completely and without limitation.

      Conclusion

      Scripture consistently presents Jesus as fully God and fully man, possessing all divine attributes, including omniscience.

      I suppose that establishes it. Jesus is presumably also fluent in Cockney rhyming slang.

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        If Jesus is omniscient and we can talk to him now, then Google and Ai become obsolete… uhm, wait…

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      I don’t think you’ve heard the news, but… He’s been always among us.

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    Regardless of your thoughts on religion, this is a total trash AI chatbot.

    It’s just a custom ChatGPT edit: with Bible verses as a RAG, and this guy charges $2.99 a month to unlock the “other characters.” As expected, zero external theological reference is used.

    I’m more upset I didn’t think of it first. Literally anyone can do this.

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      I bet 1000 dollars that it’s not trained on shit and just a openai wrapper with the bible as rag

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      I’m more upset I didn’t think of it first.

      Maybe nobody’s done Muhammad and Buddha yet.

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        Do you want a Jihad? Because this is how you get a Jihad.

        Edit: and I was thinking of doing Ronald Reagan and Lincoln and being that conservative cash in my own pocket, then gas lighting them all into something absurd like compassion.

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      Take pride in being more Jesus-like than any of those assholes. You’re poor because you don’t spend your time concocting ways to fleece other poor people out of what little money they have.

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        I feel like my unwillingness to fuck people over has really put me behind in this country lol, oh well I’d rather stick to my principles.

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          I’m unfortunately right there with you. I’m of an age where it is simply impossible for me to even dream of retiring. Ever. I will either die on the job, or end myself when I’m no longer able to work.

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      exactly, anyone could’ve build this shit in an hour. The fact that it has made the news in Christian circles is fucking concerning.

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      It must be so interesting to be in a room with these people, puzzling out new ideas to separate stupid people from their money.

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    The Vatican is going to hate this even more, ever since the Pope voiced his concerns over AI.

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    Didn’t the pope already say it was sacrilegious to do this?

    All the AIs are trained on public domain texts like the bible, just prompt your favorite AI to take on the role.

    But there are issues of perspective even within the bible, like who are the reliable narrators? Who was pushing an obvious agenda or how was the text changed in the ensuing millennia? AI is not a biblical scholar, that’s a whole different, more complex concept.

    People will just use this as confirmation bias of whatever they want to believe about the bible.

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      People will just use this as confirmation bias of whatever they want to believe about the bible.

      Methinks this is the point, create silo’d echo chambers that are tailored to the individual’s biases. They can’t possibly keep up with all the different denominations and their particular spin on interpreting the bible, nor do they care to. AI, though, can hallucinate any confirmation desired and be convincing while doing it.

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      Querying the bible, including Caananite sources for which everything before Moses is based on, you get to conclude the Moses was a Hasbara piece of shit warmonger who invented everything to split from Caananite traditions. New Testament/Jesus only makes sense if he is being politically polite/correct in addressing Jews about what a piece of shit Moses was. Religion based on the bible is still first and foremost, power for the religious body that can be maximized through alliance with Kings/politicians. Take people’s souls to sell them for the most demonic purposes is the profit of religion.

      AI is good a biblical/period history research. Pastors are good at telling you the most important part of the bible is how to support Israel supremacy to bring about Armaggedon/rapture as “your” reward.

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        You know, one possible reason why Ea Nasir kept that complaint was because it was so ridiculous and Karen-esque and he had the best copper in the region and now he’s forever known as the guy with the bad quality copper.

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            that’s why i just talk to my cats when i’m home alone. sometimes when my wife is home, she thinks it’s cute.

            i pretend their meows are parts of an actual conversation, and then respond to what i’m imagine they’re saying based off their tone.
            the orange one complains about his sister a lot.

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      Jesus very probably did exist.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

      I don’t know if the historicity of any of the other figures listed has been established. I mean, Jesus had a mother, for example, but I don’t know if there’s any reason to believe that she was anything like Mary as the Bible describes her.

      I’d guess that most of the Biblical figures with established historical existence are gonna be major figures like Pontius Pilate.

      kagis

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_figures_identified_in_extra-biblical_sources

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        That a jesus (probably) existed does not mean the jesus of the bible is that jesus.

        Just like robinhood might be based on an amalgamation if real outlaws, the character of robin hood as popularly understood is still fictional.

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          I do think there’s a meaningful distinction to be made between something being attributed to a real person and a fictional character being loosely based on real people, though. Like, I think we can be pretty confident that the events in the Epic of Gilgamesh didn’t really happen (at least not literally), but if Gilgamesh was, like is generally accepted, a real person, the Gilgamesh in the Epic is most likely supposed to be that guy. Whereas Robin Hood was probably never meant to be any particular person.

          That said, do we actually know whether all the stories in the Bible about Jesus were originally about the same individual? The new testament was written decades and centuries after the death of historical Jesus, by people who didn’t even live in the region, right? So all the stories the authors heard would have come from traders and missionaries of Christian cults with vocal traditions. That alone is very long game of telephone, but I imagine every town at the time would have at least one person claiming to be messiah, and if one of them became a big enough deal that rumours around him spread beyond town, there would also be bunch of copycats. So a lot of room for mix-ups.

          “I am Jesus, your king!” “I heard Jesus was buried like three days ago!” “I uh- I have come back from the dead!” And then he skipped town ASAP.

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        Some of the apocryphal gospels seem really embarrassed about the idea of Mary being a commoner/spinning clothes for money.

        There are very old rumors about Jesus being the son of a Roman soldier who raped Mary.

        There’s probably something we can peer at, through a glass darkly, about her somewhere there.

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        Thank you for being the one to post that. It really bugs me when people say Jesus didn’t exist and present it as if it’s uncontroversial fact. Whether you believe in the claims about Him as a Messiah, a divine figure, et cetera are beside the point when discussing His existence. There is actual historical evidence to support that the figure existed and began a ministry around that time. Being anti historical is just bad practice, regardless of the side you’re falling on. Historical Jesus is a fascinating subject.

        Again, regardless of your view, love Him or hate Him, a guy was born, said some stuff, and died, and it literally changed the entire course of human history. Religions that reigned for thousands of years do not exist anymore because of Him, the most influential government to exist until the modern era was based on the idea of being the torch bearers of His legacy. Empires rose and fell on His word (or, His supposed words, depending on your point of view). Like… No matter what, it’s a crazily interesting thing, and the idea that any one human can have a legacy like that is amazing. Let’s not downplay it. Heck, if you hate the guy, at least acknowledge He was real so that we figure out how to prevent others from having their message of peace and love so distorted and causing so much grief.

        A dude lived 2000 years ago and we’re still talking about him, that’s pretty incredible. Worth learning about. Same with other historical religious figures, like Muhammed, Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha, although we are slightly less sure he existed, though consensus is that he did), Adi Shankara, and others.

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          I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Just because religions have ruined lives doesn’t mean we can’t acknowledge the historical significance of many of these religious figures.

          I mean, glazing over emperors, philosophers, and other historical figures is kinda normal around here despite the same issue of dubious accuracy about their lives.

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            I don’t really care about down votes, tbh. But disliking a figure and pretending they don’t exist is ridiculous. “Stalin was awful! So he’s fictional!”

            … Yeah, bro. That tracks. Lol