Their solution will just be cameras you can’t see. My mom worked in security 40+ years ago and they were using pin head cameras that were invisible to the human eye.
Destroying them is not going to solve the problem, but I suppose it may be a good start.
Time to invest in Sawzall and blade manufacturers.
Large bolt cutters are quieter.
Flock is approved for drones 🤦🏻♂️
https://www.flocksafety.com/products/flock-aerodome-drone-as-automated-security
https://www.budk.com/12-Gauge-Skynet-Drone-Defense-3-Pack-35975/35975.html
Thankfully capitalists still willing to sell ya the rope to hang them with.
Use Faraday pouches or leave your phone at home this Halloween. Flock cams gather Bluetooth, cellular, and WiFi data as you pass by them
It’s part of the same issue - lack of US GDPR.
We need to demand US GDPR because there are other issues - companies like Lexus nexis are buying your stolen data from the dark net and reselling. Facebook pervert glasses and others we don’t even know aboutWe can make all the rules we want, but the rules don’t matter.
Lack of spines in people we expected to enforce our rights got us here. It’s no good making more rules when the ones we have are ignored.
Probably the rock in a shoe trick as well if that’s actually a thing.
or walk like a desert-dwelling fremen, without rythym
It is. If vindicator had gait tracking in 2006, flock absolutely will have it.
Tips on how to protect yourselves when you have to, you know.
Masks, camouflage outfits park somewhere far?
Hallowe’en on its own provides a significant strategic advantage. The closeness to elections is a bit sus though
We had millions in the streets for NO KINGS. Your telling me we can’t get 80k Flock/Axon cameras down.
I would be careful calling this “de-flock” because one of the more prominent groups against Flock is called Deflock and they already get lies from police calling them a terrorist organization despite never advocating for anything like tearing them down. If I really was putting on my tin foil hat, I’d say this was an intentional false flag operation called “de-flock” to further muddy the waters with regards to the Deflock organization. That’s a bit much, though.
Note that I’m not saying folks shouldn’t be participating, I’m only saying a different name for the activity would be prudent.
In my shitty MAGA and evangelical suburb, they welcome Flock.
The data probably shows which conservative religious men are meeting other men regularly for sweaty, breathless one on one ‘political discussion’
Even in wealthy ‘liberal’ neighborhoods they welcome them as well, because they assume they help protect them from ‘the poors’.
you don’t have to… ;-)
You do realize this is counterintuitive. They’ll just add more and keep upping the anty and then the people will push back again and it’ll go back and forth a bunch of times before eventually either they’re removed or they’re so hardened in security that people are forced to submit.
Not defestism talking, it’s more like the way things work. Like when you shoplift, they add more security over the objects and then eventually you have to ask for that item to be removed under lock by an employee because so many people stole said items so many times.
Or like how there’s metal detectors at certain theme parks and amusement parks because of violence ruining people’s good times.
It’s the same shit in a weird way. Like one does one thing in an act of defiance and then another rule pops up and more social changes are enacted to prevent those things from happening. Same will happen to flock cameras.
The more destruction the more they’ll just add shit to them.
I’m not trying to be an asshole. I’m just saying like destroying them isn’t magically going to get rid of them. It’s gonna make them want to double the amount of them.
I’m not saying don’t go out there and do whatever the fuck you want to the cameras that’s your own thing, idgaf what you do to the flock cameras.
Just like going based off of the time I’ve spent on this planet, if you go and destroy shit it’ll just make them want to add more of them and double their efforts to make it so people can’t destroy them.
That’s common sense: If someone kept taking your shovel every night you’d eventually lock up your shovel.
That’s why I brought up shoplifting as a comparison. If you steal over and over again, you’re subjected to the consequence of now having to ask for the object from the employee. If you do an act of violence at an amusement park, they’re more likely to install metal detectors as a consequence.
So the consequential outcome is inevitably more cameras. Yes you may get some areas to not buy anymore but the reality is there will not be a good outcome.
Or a great excuse to declare Martial Law in response to widespread domestic terrorism - and suspend November elections because reasons…
Now do Ring cams.
If I were a teenager I would be playing a very different version of Nicky Nicky Nine Doors.
Basically we need to get the word out to not use products from those aligned with Trump and thiel.
So every major company, got it
Basically 🤷
This needs to gain traction…
World wide…
70 days time…
U got any good alternatives to recommend? I was given a ring camera as a house warming gift, one of the nice flood light cam ones. Want to get away from ring but also don’t want to buy more crap LOL but I want to add a camera to the rear of my house and refuse to have ring recording me on my patio nor do I want to up my subscription. Keep migrating toward self hosting my camera system as the best solution but fuck I also don’t have the time to go setting that up right now … Rambling here but in search of good advice 🙏
Yeah this is always been my problem. I kind of do want CCTV cameras on my house because I do live in a sort of high crime area, but I don’t see why I should have to pay a subscription to a company just so they can train an AI on my camera footage.
I’ve always been a fan of UniFi products. You keep the data, handle it how you will.
Reolink
Or UniFi, Hikvision also Akuvox for doorbells/intercom
Specifically their PoE model. You can record to any ONVIF capable NVR, like Frigate, and restrict access to the feed to only the local network or your own VPN. No sending all your video feeds to a third party that grants the police access.
C’mon, Americans. We know you guys are cool. We believe in you! Shake this shit off!
Are there good ways to kill a flock camera from a distance?
Could aiming a laser at the lense damage the ccd in the camera?
Ok, another idea.
Admittedly, this is not exactly a low tech solution, but…
One could use an fpv drone with a paint covered sponge duct taped to the front. Once the lens is covered in paint, you can either call the job done or go in closer without worrying about being seen by the camera.
You could use a can of spray paint instead, but then you need some kind of system to activate it, which complicates things.
Drop a ballon of paint on the solar panel?
One-watt 532nm green laser or a .22LR bullet. The bullet is probably safer.
That’s fair. Yeah some Halloween costumes are all well and good, but for the rest of the year, it would be great if there’s a way to destroy these cameras without getting caught on camera yourself.
The thought behind the laser idea was just that it might not draw a lot of attention.
If anyone has better ideas, please do share them. My goal is to come up with less risky ways of dismantling them than getting right up there with a ladder. The .22 might be the simplest solution so far.
Subsonic rounds with a suppressor will help too. ;)
The unlicensed suppressor will get you into just as much trouble as destroying the camera. Plus, suppressors don’t eliminate sound. It’s not like in the movies where you get a quiet “thwip” noise. The suppressor simply takes the gun from “almost guaranteed hearing damage without proper PPE” to “was that a firecracker? Or someone hammering a nail?” Sure, there can be quiet shots with the proper suppressor and ammo. But if you’re bootlegging it to avoid licensing requirements, you’re probably not using the optimal setup.
Seems like a mask and no electronics on you would be a far better solution here. Perhaps even a fancy mask celebrating the great Spooky Season holiday.
A witch costume with actual spell casting?!?!
Please oh please, No, a laser that is powerful enough to destroy the sensor, is more than powerful enough to blind so many people, at the same time even.
Do you happen to know how sensitive these sensors tend to be? Because I honestly don’t, but it’s possible it may not take much…
Let’s hope the momentum continues.
I really, really hope people don’t go out en masse and destroy every single Flock camera that is unconstitutionally filming and profiling them, because it would be a terrible crime to do so. Definitely do not do this people.
they probably are constitutional, but only because the constitution says nothing about tge government buying data from private companies.
9th amendment.
It’s the best amendment, despite being, legally, the most useless.
I would argue that it was meant to cover the kind of situation where a private company is given government permission to gather surveillance data from the citizenry, in exchange for access to said data.
People are downvoting you, but you’re right. It’s one of the reasons why the constitution is weak in the modern era, and in need of massive additions. It just is too vague, too geared towards a world that no longer exists, and hasn’t existed for over 70 years.
they are? I guess the votes haven’t federated yet
yep, flock exists purely to get around the 4th amendment and the requirement to have a warrant.
Definitely don’t remind people to leave their phones at home or use a Faraday bag to shield their tech.
Only the most dastardly vandals would leave their phone (and all other Bluetooth devices) at home, plugged in charging, auto-lock fully disabled, on their home WiFi, with YouTube set to auto-play a playlist. That would create a watch history that the vandal could later use to prove that they were active at home at the time of the crime. Again, you definitely shouldn’t do that.
Indeed. Not having those signals to trace could make it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to identify you, and we certainly don’t want the essential job of law enforcement to be inhibited.
Camera can still track you with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, keep that in mind
It can’t if you leave your phone and electronics at home, which you should be anyways.
Also people shouldn’t be wearing masks. That would be make them even harder to identify for law enforcement.
Not American. What is flock? Is this like a ring doorbell? Are people suggesting to destroy personal property of their neighbours?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?
It’s a nationwide network of cameras used by federal, state, and local governments to track and profile people in public. It doesn’t just record, but builds a database of information on every car, license plate, and person that’s filmed, so it’s seen to be very dystopian.
Even worse, the tech gets it wrong and mistaken identity is common, and it ends up endangering people due to the violent methods US police employ. However, it’s privacy concerns that are foremost, because there’s an amendment in our country’s Constitution that should prohibit this kind of privacy violation.
If you’d like to learn more, I made a YT video on the topic recently.
don’t forget how many of them are just straight up creep cameras, installed pointing at childrens pools, playgrounds, peoples homes, etc.
And this is why calling them “license plate readers” is hugely disingenuous, to the point of being straight up propaganda. The term vastly downplays what they can do. They don’t just scan license plates. They scan nearby devices’ Bluetooth and WiFi signals. They scan faces. They scan gait to determine specific limb proportions. They scan tattoos and birthmarks. They scan bumper stickers, dings/dents, etc… If you walk in front of a camera, it will use every trick in the book to try and figure out who you are specifically.
It’s a revenue stream for Flock. Allowing members of the Epstein Class to view the stream of children.
explains the millions of hits per month on the cameras.
Wild stuff. That is far worse than I thought was going on.
What a scary timeline and I hope the country and sort out this stuff and reform this type activity.
They’re not just cameras. They also log nearby mobile devices. They’ve gone from a few hundred nationwide to over 100,000 in like 2 years.
Uber is going to start implementing the same thing, so mobile Flock that you wouldn’t be able to take down.
Government contracted cameras in public spaces.
Not just cameras. They also have RFID, WiFi, Bluetooth, and probably other crap I don’t remember. The idea is that even if the face rec doesn’t identify you, they still can by probing for credit cards and mobile devices. Disgusting.
Fair point. I was trying to be succinct, not intentionally vague.
Wow. Thanks for informing me. Stay safe guys
You’re welcome. I hope it’s a nice day where you are.
Canada. Its generally okay here but we do stupid shit like this too, just way less thank flock. I’m sure it’ll emerge in some form.
Please do, you’re point for the work all over the world (China may be already lost, or not, depending on how well you do), London likely too. Also, please, sustained (go nuts on Samhain though, keen symbolism) but after Flock, there will be subtler versions, expecting you to lose momentum and just fade. They will be detectable, vulnerable.
Want to know why all the AI (GPU) centres are being built? Deliberately or not they will be used to process camera feeds (why let that compute go to waste).
The tree of freedom is watered in the blood of patriots. Well actually, get the other side to bleed, or preferably convert, good cause and all. The principle of being bloody serious about it when oligarchs (or upper class British) still stands. Step forth, the only thing you have to lose is a future of climate fire. And possibly next weeks meals, but history is replete with cases where that paid off (or not, bloody anarchist truth tendencies)
