Stopped one
Looks like it’s a big problem on either side of the Atlantic.
Yeah fuck these guys for sure but dude you didn’t have to fucking prance out in front of them either that was a stupid way to try and stop it.
Not gonna comment on the choice of method for the intervention but I have a feeling this gang’s members can probably be seen saying things like “immigrants fock up our country mate” and then go eat in an Indian restaurant.
Yutes on bikes?
While I don’t like these bike gangs, what the police was doing is reckless. I would argue the guy on the quad just feared for his life, because the spikes could have caused an accident. So he did the safe thing and went around them, and the cop just happened to be jaywalking there.
Because Britain is saner, there’s no such thing as “jaywalking” and pedestrians always have right of way, unless they are specifically banned by the type of road.
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I’m just applying to them what they apply to us. It’s only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I’d still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
“Jaywalking” is a made up American crime.
A pedestrian existing on a street doesn’t justify a driver running them over.
The guy on the quad could have stopped if he feared an accident.
Oh fuck off. The safest thing to do is to stop and take your punishment.
They probably added a year to their sentence with that stunt, and they deserve it.
This is one of the few times I actually feel sorry for the cops.
The community simultaneously wants the crowds of dipshits on trail bikes stopped but also pretty much agrees that a teenager riding around on a trail bike who isnt setting out to hurt anyone doesnt deserve to be seriously injured to stop them.
Their hands are so thoroughly tied its insane.
Punishment for what? Using the road?
Riding like an absolute scrote.
And I doubt they owned that quad either.
Failure to stop for pedestrian, failure to stop for police, speeding, reckless driving
This thread is a cesspit. I didn’t know lemmy attracted these types.
Came here as a Reddit refugee, gonna leave as a hater of all forms of social media, federated or not
TFW you realize the centralization was not the problem.
It’s audience size.
It is so bizzare… Almost every comment has more down- than upvotes.
there’s quite a bit of nasty old heads, I’m finding. On one hand, they were here first but on the other their main forms of engaging with other people is is either this pearl clutching or being unprokedly nasty in attempt to “toughen people up”.
All cops everywhere need to fucking die. Kill them all, people. Kill them all, fucking fascist scum.
Hell yeah, fuck them kids!
Well that guy on the ATVs life is entirely over.
Crazy how fast you can end any chance at a well-off future.
Well the cop did literally jump in front of him. So if the lawyer is any good at all I imagine he can probably get a little leeway.
the cop was attempting to get back from the motorcycles raging through. he was also wearing high-vis PPE.
furthermore, the ATV rider attempted to continue to flee until the officer pulled them off the vehicle.
ACAB but that doesn’t mean lawlessness is better.
He was in that lane for like 30s. You might get away with that argument with a two wheeler.
Nope. The highway code states pedestrians always have right of way and other road users must be prepared to stop for them.
That’s not always reality. I said “might”
You might want to look again. At about second 22 of the video you noticed he literally jumps to the right to put himself in front of the ATV.
Yeah, he was in the whole fucking lane. Do you know what responsible motorists do when a human is in the road? It’s not “try and whip around them on the outside forcing them into another lane of traffic”.
Here you seem to need this: https://www.vsp.com/eye-doctor
If by “leeway”, you mean “additional charges for driving without due care and attention”, because he wasn’t able to stop in a 40kmph zone when something had been in view for 10 seconds, and seemed to be going so fast that he carried on for 50 feet after running down the emergency worker, then you’d be right!
Lets all hope he gets all the leeway he can.
But “he’s a kid man, a kid”
Like holy crap I wish somebody would smack the guy recording upside the head
The cop was visible on the road for several seconds before the collision, he did not jump in front
They got one. Funny to watch the police act like they’re the worst people to exist
ACAB, but the cop didn’t do anything wrong in this video if you understand the context.
Aside from trying to kill motorcyclists?
Kill!? Haha Holy shit the things people say on here sometimes.
Completely devoid of reality.
Like the spike strip was going to gently slow the bike(s) down and maneuver them out of each others’ way?
Completely devoid of reality, indeed.
How do those fascist boots taste, you carbrained idiot?
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Did you even go outside as a kid? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve fallen off a bike at those slow speeds. Not even close to a death sentence. If falling at those speeds scares you, you are either 80 years old, or 300 pounds.
Calling me fascist is hilarious 😂
Are you gunna pose an actual argument? Or are you gunna act like an insecure internet child slinging insults?
Carbrained? Wow you can’t stay on topic can you.
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Yes, I absolutely do think that. Exhibit A are all the people in this thread that think attempted murder is an acceptable penalty for a child riding recklessly on a bicycle. Seeing as cops tend to have far less empathy than the human average, I would expect them to be less worried about civilian safety than the people in this thread. The folks in this thread are advocating summary execution for traffic violations, so I see no reason a cop wouldn’t do the same.
Yes, I think the cop went full Judge Dredd and didn’t consider who he would injure or how bad.
I’ve posted an argument and you’ve called me a three hundred pound 80-year-old (so what if I am?).
Your carbrain is completely obvious. And if you think the officer was justified in possibly killing people (for what perceived offense?), guess what? Fascist, too.
You have pretty poor reading comprehension if you think I called you a 300 pound 80 year old. That would explain a lot of this.
You really enjoy throwing around those lemmy buzzwords don’t you? It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
I’d advise that you try to do some thinking for yourself, not just parrot what some of the circle jerks on here tell you.
Just the most bottom-tier loser drivel.
Get lost, asshole.
I think they are managing to do that without the cops assistance.
Oh no, they are falling over at brisk walking speeds because they fumbled to just put their foot down when the vehicle slowed to a halt. My pearls, where are they?
Spoken like someone who hasn’t a tire blowout on a motorcycle. Or an idiot.
So the officer similarly wasn’t hurt, since it was just walking speeds?
Any trip over the handlebars is potentially lethal. You’re a callous moron.
Massive skill issue if a flat tyre sends you over the bars. That’s an extremely unlikely thing to happen.
Do you think the office was badly, potentially lethally, hurt?
Always be attacking, eh? Don’t answer my question but expect me to answer yours?
Yes, being knocked over like that is potentially lethal.
As would be abruptly stopping those on the bikes.
Which was the point I made. That you haven’t countered.
And, again, what offense did each and every single biker do to merit a cop recklessly endangering their life?
I hate these “gangs” of kids on ATVs and motorbikes with no licenses. They completely F up traffic, pulling stunts, lunging at cars, and sometimes even wrecking and stopping traffic entirely. They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
Cars already take over the roads, why shouldn’t people try to take them back?
My local bicycle ride that blocks intersections while the riders go through is known and protected by the police – the legal theory is that if the front of a vehicle entered the intersection on a green light, the “vehicle” can continue through the intersection if the light changes. And a group of people riding bikes as one unit is considered one vehicle.
A bike ride with many people in it is considered a single vehicle if they all ride together with no big gaps through the intersection. There are volunteers called “corkers” who will stand in front of the intersection to clearly signal to motor vehicles that it is not safe to enter the intersection yet. They’re trained in deescalation in case someone is really upset that they had to wait an extra minute or two on a Friday night.
Here’s an article if anyone is interested.
https://grist.org/cities/bike-party-a-fresh-new-way-to-take-back-the-streets/
Did you watch the video? That’s not what’s happening. They literally ran a guy over, pretty sure that’s the opposite of de-escalation.
Cyclists and bikers are NOT the same.
A critical mass bicycle ride is tightly organized and usually have a set speed, and anyone involved try not to harass other drivers or pedestrians.
Jackass bikers on motorcycles and ATVs in a rowdy group do fucking annoy everyone.
Why are you comparing two completely different things? Are you being deliberately dense to start an argument? You are comparing a known sanctioned cycling event to illegal riders, and illegal riders to licensed and insured drivers who legally have a right to the road.
It’s Blahaj, they’re not known for their intelligence.
They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
This sentence describes bike party to a t, which is not really officially sanctioned – they just give the police a heads up to be nice.
I am not trying to be dense, i am just trying to explain why bicyclists block intersections to let the whole group go through. It is partially to protest cars.
The ones I see aren’t cyclists participating in group events. It’s dirt bikes, atv’s, and now even some e-bikes, unlicensed, unsanctioned, stunt riding and being general assholes on the road. Stop trying to twist reality into somehow legitimizing their BS.
I dont see why the roads should only be for “licensed” cars. Stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people. Sometimes they join in the bike party. It seems like you’re trying to say the roads should exclude all these vehicles, when I would like more ebikes on the road and less cars. Dirt bikes and atvs can come too.
I am not a big fan of motorized vehicles, I generally bike. But it seems to me that saying “stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people” is more or less the same as saying “drunk driving is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people”. That is if we are talking about stunt driving on a public road (haven’t read the whole discussion). stunt driving is much riskier than calm driving and when you do it in a public road you transfer that risk to other people, including pedestrians and non motorised bikers, who don’t want to be involved.
Yeah they are a real inconvenience for about 30 secs.
You realize the inconvenience and endanger everyone they pass for the duration of their ride right? Not just your little blip…
Vigilante traffic cops are fun
Usually takes longer than that to wash them off the bullbar
They are traffic too
“Traffic” takes over multiple lanes while stunting and deliberately antagonizing normal drivers? Sure, bud.
Sounds like traffic to me
Fucking hero on the ATV, might have saved a life. If one of those motorcycles’ tires got popped, the rider might die or suffer life-changing injuries. And it’s even wilder that this cop-brained monster thinks that’s an acceptable outcome for any minor traffic violation.
So ripping through town and running over a kid or a dog is hero behavior now?
That’s a bad faith interpretation. How in the world do you see a reply saying, “summary execution is not an acceptable penalty for traffic violations,” and warp that into, “well, I guess you just don’t want any traffic enforcement at all.”
Frankly, your chain of logic is utterly baffling.
Calling this traffic enforcement is also a bad faith interpretation. Unless you consider people riding motorcycles at high speeds on busy sidewalks to be a traffic issue? That’s what these goons do, and they are constantly injuring innocent people.
What the fuck else would you call it? All infractions involving the use of a vehicle are traffic infractions. Unless I deliberately murder you by tracking you down and deliberately running you over with my car, it’s just a traffic infraction. Driving on the sidewalk is a moving violation.
If that kid or dog is trying to kill people, then maybe, depending on the circumstances. Obviously if it was an actual kid, you would have to approach the situation with the care it deserves…but also, for example, I would have literally zero qualms about running over a minor committing a school shooting if that was the only option to stop the violence.
Like if it was a person in a different uniform using a baseball bat instead of a car you wouldn’t bat a fucking eye at someone using a weapon to defend innocent people.
It seems like we mostly agree, but I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose. They drive extremely fast in places where that is not OK, including busy sidewalks, and they hurt innocent people all the time. They also tend to leave a trail of destruction behind them as well.
I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose.
Right but there is a difference between people riding irresponsibly but without intentionally trying to destroy people, versus this cop who is very deliberately trying to take out as many bikers as possible. And especially for young people whose brains are still developing, in particular the parts of the brain responding for judging risks.
Like of course some of them are riding dangerously, and the dangerous driving should be socially discouraged…but the cops are a particularly blunt, carceral, and ineffective instrument for discouraging any reckless behavior, in particular the bastard in this video. And even within existing carceral systems, spike strips are blunt tools. For example, pigs could have filmed them and picked them up when it was safe to do so, or used the 69 bajillion security cameras that
has to figure out who was driving and yell at them.
They’re doing 50 kmh at best, even without a helmet your chances of serious injury are pretty low. People fall off motorbikes all the time at far greater speeds.
Falling off a bike at 50 kph means you’re hitting the ground with the same speed as a 10 meter fall. Please go jump off a three story building and then come back to report how harmless it is.
“falling aoff the motorcycle that is moving faster than people can sprint, even without a helmet, isn’t that dangerous”
As someone who sells and fixes bicycles this is THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING I’VE READ THIS WEEK. And I heard someone recently say “at least dolly Parton knew to stay out of politics”
ANY fall off a bike, motorized or not, can be fatal. If you’re moving, those chances go up. If you’re moving a heavy or large bike, it’s even greater. It’s why I refuse to sell bikes to anyone who says they don’t wear helmets.
People have fallen from higher than the tallest building and survived. Doesn’t mean it’s not insanely dangerous.
Can be? Sure. Likely to be? Not really. And if they’re not wearing a helmet, that’s their problem anyway.
I have a scar from when a car pulled in front of me while I was going walking speed on a bicycle.
Shut the fuck up.
I don’t believe you were going walking speed. And I know people who have dropped a bike in a corner multiple times, and just got up.
You want a picture?
The fuck is wrong with you?
Fucking ghoul.
I think you’re making shit up, to be honest.
Fucking idiot.
That’s it? That’s your horrible scar?
What a drama queen.
even without a helmet your chances of serious injury are pretty low.
People fall off motorbikes all the time at far greater speeds.
And usually die horrible deaths at said speeds…
No, they don’t. Have you ever seen MotoGP? Those guys will drop their bike at hundreds of KMH, get up, and walk away quite often.
Because they are wearing highly advanced protective gear, are trained how to take a fall, are in peak physical condition, and are racing in an environment specially designed to protect them.
This is an incorrect, dangerous, and irresponsible thing to say. You can very easily die at 5km/h on a motorcycle. Your body is not as tough as you think it is.
You can very easily die at 5km/h on a motorcycle
Not a comment on anything else but this is a ridiculous statement.
Let me know when you’ve got 100,000 km of saddle time and then we can have this chat again.
I’ve got over five times that and you’re wrong.
Motorcycles are known for sharing roads with other vehicles.
But yeah in isolation a broken ankle is far more likely at these speeds, not exactly life threatening in most cases.
You could be going 0km/h and fall off and die if you’re in the middle of the fucking road and someone hits you so like… yeah.
Yes it’s possible with unfortunate circumstances. “Very easily die at 5 km/h” is demonstrably untrue, as though a significant amount of people that start up a bike die horribly. Yes bikes/mopeds/motorcycles are more dangerous than cars but it’s dumb to misrepresent reality like this.
The second half of your statement demonstrates how the bikers are acting unsafely in the first place.
My comment isn’t even really about motorcycles being extra dangerous. I ride every day that weather allows and have for over 30 years.
It is more about how remarkably fragile some of our bodies’ weak points are. Perhaps I could have worded it better. But to me ‘easily die’ just means unexpected stuff can happen when putting a bike down at all. Not that there is necessarily a high likelihood of it happening at that speed, just that it is easy.
One wrong twist of the neck from a bad fall and you’re dead.
The bastard cops shouldn’t be doing this.
Yeah, the big meanies should just let them snatch all the phones they want and terrorise pedestrians.
Go fuck yourself.
You’re advocating summary execution for traffic violations.
Why are you absolutely convinced any fall on a motorbike is fatal? You’re absolutely everywhere in this thread making the same argument.
People fall off the things all the time.
Ah yes, the only to options:
- Terror
- Risk of bodily harm
Surely there is no nuance or inbetween option available. Surely they should just get the death penalty for such horrid theft and disrespect of the sanctity of physical posessions.
They actually do just run these twits over quite often, with massive public support.
ACAB
I dislike cops but in this scenario they are not the villains.
What that cop was trying to do, would have caused a serious accident and injuries if he had succeeded. Cops are always the villains, harassing teenagers and brutalizing people protesting against genocide, while protecting rich pedophiles.
What about the serious accident and injuries that the idiots could have caused by hitting children or someone’s pet crossing the road?
Your logic is “I was driving recklessly downtown and your putting an obstacle in my way is endangering me”.
No, it wasn’t the policeman endangering the biker group here, it was the people driving recklessly.
We don’t execute people for traffic violations!
Delusional much? The traffic stop was clearly visible to the group and the attempt to block the road as well - if you don’t slow down upon seeing an obstacle, that’s 100% on you.
Visible or not, they’re still using a spike strip against a two wheel vehicle. That’s still attempted murder.
No, it isn’t. Even if you fall off due to the flat tyre, and that’s not a given, if you’re wearing a helmet the chances of serious injury are very low.
That’s a frankly absurd statement to make.
They didn’t seem to be driving very recklessly to me. Just in a big group. That cop could have caused a serious accident to many of them, and you would have cheered because “these damn kids”.
They didn’t slow down for the traffic stop or when they saw a police-person on the road. That’s criminally reckless.
Didn’t slow down for the guy trying to kill them?
Nah, fuck the people who ride like this, they could kill someone.
Like someone jumping in front of moving vehicles
Like a child, for example?
Themselves.
Rolling around 2 ton cars with your dirtbike is a good way to kill only yourself. Even in this video, the guy on the heaviest one, a quad, plowed straight into the cop and only got tackled off it.
The cop knows this too. He jumped in front of him to tackle him.
I agree that you might get scared by people acting too rowdy, and that you might get your paint job scratched, but your chances of dying are way higher with a moving truck nearby than a few dirt bikes.
Yes and the cop could’ve killed these kids by popping their tires while they’re riding recklessly. Rather than do actual police work that takes time and effort to remove these bikes from the streets, the cops decided to do the easiest and most dangerous thing for everyone involved. This was absolutely the worst possible way they could go about to stop people who ride like this.
Depending on the belt used the tires don’t actually just “pop” like in the movies. They get holds such causes them to deflate and become undeliverable. Ever got a punctured tire before? It’s not an instant process by any means.
There are belts can actually make larger holes as the spike comes out, but this doesn’t seem to be the case here.
They didnt shoot the kids so there’s still a small margin for “absolute worst”
The kids are riding willingly past a cop car.
A safer thing to do is block the road with cars and kettle from behind. Then even if people flee on foot you can impound the bikes or whatever to a vastly better effect in terms of reducing public nuisance.
The officer here wasn’t improving safety, he was making a larger hazard, putting himself in danger, and ended up paying for it.
They want to use their toys and they want to cause harm.
Any dumb Cunt stupid enough to stand in the middle of the road…
Those are called pedestrians.
And they’re also on the footpath.
