That’s a bad faith interpretation. How in the world do you see a reply saying, “summary execution is not an acceptable penalty for traffic violations,” and warp that into, “well, I guess you just don’t want any traffic enforcement at all.”
Calling this traffic enforcement is also a bad faith interpretation. Unless you consider people riding motorcycles at high speeds on busy sidewalks to be a traffic issue? That’s what these goons do, and they are constantly injuring innocent people.
What the fuck else would you call it? All infractions involving the use of a vehicle are traffic infractions. Unless I deliberately murder you by tracking you down and deliberately running you over with my car, it’s just a traffic infraction. Driving on the sidewalk is a moving violation.
If that kid or dog is trying to kill people, then maybe, depending on the circumstances. Obviously if it was an actual kid, you would have to approach the situation with the care it deserves…but also, for example, I would have literally zero qualms about running over a minor committing a school shooting if that was the only option to stop the violence.
Like if it was a person in a different uniform using a baseball bat instead of a car you wouldn’t bat a fucking eye at someone using a weapon to defend innocent people.
It seems like we mostly agree, but I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose. They drive extremely fast in places where that is not OK, including busy sidewalks, and they hurt innocent people all the time. They also tend to leave a trail of destruction behind them as well.
I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose.
Right but there is a difference between people riding irresponsibly but without intentionally trying to destroy people, versus this cop who is very deliberately trying to take out as many bikers as possible. And especially for young people whose brains are still developing, in particular the parts of the brain responding for judging risks.
Like of course some of them are riding dangerously, and the dangerous driving should be socially discouraged…but the cops are a particularly blunt, carceral, and ineffective instrument for discouraging any reckless behavior, in particular the bastard in this video. And even within existing carceral systems, spike strips are blunt tools. For example, pigs could have filmed them and picked them up when it was safe to do so, or used the 69 bajillion security cameras that has to figure out who was driving and yell at them.
So ripping through town and running over a kid or a dog is hero behavior now?
That’s a bad faith interpretation. How in the world do you see a reply saying, “summary execution is not an acceptable penalty for traffic violations,” and warp that into, “well, I guess you just don’t want any traffic enforcement at all.”
Frankly, your chain of logic is utterly baffling.
Calling this traffic enforcement is also a bad faith interpretation. Unless you consider people riding motorcycles at high speeds on busy sidewalks to be a traffic issue? That’s what these goons do, and they are constantly injuring innocent people.
What the fuck else would you call it? All infractions involving the use of a vehicle are traffic infractions. Unless I deliberately murder you by tracking you down and deliberately running you over with my car, it’s just a traffic infraction. Driving on the sidewalk is a moving violation.
If that kid or dog is trying to kill people, then maybe, depending on the circumstances. Obviously if it was an actual kid, you would have to approach the situation with the care it deserves…but also, for example, I would have literally zero qualms about running over a minor committing a school shooting if that was the only option to stop the violence.
Like if it was a person in a different uniform using a baseball bat instead of a car you wouldn’t bat a fucking eye at someone using a weapon to defend innocent people.
It seems like we mostly agree, but I think you are grossly neglecting the danger that these dirt bike and ATV gangs pose. They drive extremely fast in places where that is not OK, including busy sidewalks, and they hurt innocent people all the time. They also tend to leave a trail of destruction behind them as well.
Right but there is a difference between people riding irresponsibly but without intentionally trying to destroy people, versus this cop who is very deliberately trying to take out as many bikers as possible. And especially for young people whose brains are still developing, in particular the parts of the brain responding for judging risks.
Like of course some of them are riding dangerously, and the dangerous driving should be socially discouraged…but the cops are a particularly blunt, carceral, and ineffective instrument for discouraging any reckless behavior, in particular the bastard in this video. And even within existing carceral systems, spike strips are blunt tools. For example, pigs could have filmed them and picked them up when it was safe to do so, or used the 69 bajillion security cameras that
has to figure out who was driving and yell at them.