The China-centric video sharing platform is expanding with a new international app and an English version of its website – with no identity verification (for now at least)
thats good news youtube was mainstream so looong that it becomes to eat itself slowly seeing some competitions maybe lead the long form video market better
Happy for the competition, sad that it came from a place that will probably censor things even harder.
Tbh, i hope it doesn’t take off since chinese companies are forced to hand their user data to the chinese government
I’d rather it go to the Chinese government since they’re not the ones actively lording over me.
I’d rather not go with any of the 2 tbh
US companies hand it to the US government and every advertiser in the world…
They are both shitty… But maybe two shitty competitors we can at least get something good…
YouTube Google’s monopoly has ruined the internet, android, web browsers and more
I know that USA companies hand their data to their government but it’s is not the only other country that exist, i’d rather use an European (Union) service than Chinese or from USA. Eg: Fairplay Video which is from France
Given how China just took all the money away from and sent to prison the CEO of evergrande, I’m starting to trust their apps more than american ones.
The only reason that happened was because that CEO’s decisions lead to massive negative results in China’s real-estate sectors, which in turn cost the Chinese government a lot of money, and THAT is why that criminal actually saw consequences.
Don’t take that as proof that China judges everyone fairly regardless of wealth/status. As long as you keep your crimes to an extent that it doesn’t cause a massive backlash on large swaths of the country, it’s a different ballgame.
As others have said, you’d be wise to distrust both.
I trust (and distrust) both equally.
Because the problems aren’t with the businesses like it is in the US.
They are with the government. Which can get much worse since there is no one to govern those.
And in China, the government is in every app. It is by law.
lol, same here
No one said you have to trust either.
I’m all for it, America needs to be reminded of what capitalism actually is.
Knowing our govt, Google will lobby them to ban BiliBili so they can enjoy classic american protectionism. Can’t make it in a free market so just ban / tariff the competition to hell.
I’m all for letting America make itself irelevent.
I’ve been using an account with a translator. They have some unique niche videos I can’t find anywhere else.
Any fun trends? Do things spill over between west and east?
I’ve heard of Billibilli. It’s great for pirated films and TV shows that you can’t get anywhere else.
I don’t really trust it to be much better at respecting privacy than YouTube, but at this point, I’d be surprised if it was any worse, and YouTube has been getting worse for lack of competition for over a decade now
I don’t really trust it to be much better at respecting privacy than YouTube
Why would you trust it to be any better at respecting privacy?
That says they don’t trust it.
I feel like we’re entering a world where you have competing surveillance states, and citizens from either would be behooved to use technology from the other. For the simple fact that these two states don’t cooperate, using the other sides technology is inherently safer. They have far fewer manners of or financial interests in fucking you.
Yep, this is why my security cameras are all from Chinese companies. Though I guess the NSA still owns the Wifi lol
Yeah. At this point as an American I’m way less worried about in the Chinese government tracking me than I am with the US government. The Chinese government is evil, but I don’t live in China.
Yes but never forget they aren’t above building profiles on people and selling them. The US government regularly buys these sort of data packages as a loophole to bypass constitutional protections against search and seizures.
8 trackers from 6 different companies, hard pass.
Isn’t the usual amount hundreds?
YouTube just has google firebase analytics
Yes, but none of them are Chinese.
At this point I’d prefer the Chinese government to track me over US companies. The Chinese government won’t let the US government access its databases, whereas Google will.
YouTube badly needs a competitor imo
Kinda hope it succeeds
Assuredly this won’t become the new “Tiktok ban” in the US.
I just downloaded it. No sign up necessary but it asks for a birthdate. (I just picked June 4 1989 randomly, ofc.)
It uses AI to translate from Chinese to your selected language. The image below shows available languages.
You don’t need to login to upvote videos. However, you not be able to comment or reply. Also, viewing comments is limited.
To create your account, you have to provide your phone number, which is an automatic “not happening” for me.
Once your phone number is “bound”, you can link your Google account for your login. This will make it easier for East-West cooperation in data mining and mass surveillance.
You can also use an email and password of your own choosing.
Overall, I can’t see me actually binding my phone number to make an account.
Anyway, here’s what my feed looked like when I opened the app and skipped account creation/login:
Some AI looking slop, of course.
Of the first dozen or so, only two seemed interesting - the Rick Roll meme history and a Brazilian explaining how to use “lá ele” in conversation. (I speak Brazilian Portuguese so this was actually very cool to see.)
🚚💯 🧑🎓
(I just picked June 4 1989 randomly, ofc.) 🤣
I would prefer it if it wasn’t Chinese because I don’t really trust Chinese companies, but then again I didn’t really trust Google and YouTube super duper needs competition.
I don’t trust Chinese either, but I trust the US and the 5 eyes mob even less. Chinese for me is on the “not as bad as the US, UK and AUS” list. The reason being that I could not care less what the Chinese platforms gather on me with what little they can gather (which is not much due to how I use the internet as a whole), but the US, due to the relationship they have with me and with my country can actually do some damage.
I mean. This is… Not worse than now, I guess?
Any entity that can take a chunk out of YouTube’s dominance is a good thing.
But I’m not going to celebrate another corp doing it. They’re independent-ish now, yes, but for how long? It’s just a different flavor of enshittification in the long run.
And I’m skeptical they have the muscle to significantly displace YouTube’s iron grip on everything, even with Google tightening the screws.
Yes! We have peertube which is actually cool.
Unfortunately Peertube is going to be… very difficult to scale.
It needs more people to engage and more exposure.
I think we should be looking for decentralised alternatives not something prone to enshittification.
It’s a really hard problem to solve though. Video hosting is a huge data hog I don’t think small independent instances would be able to keep up with the storage requirements. Especially at the moment considering storages so expensive.
honestly i think it’d be nice to have a full p2p video directory instead. something like peertube but without instances, resembling a torrent tracker like nyaa, aimed generally for educational stuff, entertainment, music, etc. basically youtube but as a torrent tracker, to reduce the storage requirement. you’d be able to seed your favorite media and the fact that people would not want to waste their storage on seeding worthless stuff and the technical hurdle of p2p would keep the mindless slop out.
I think you just might be right, which is sad.
Cool. If they allow views while using ad-blockers I’m in.
Good.
Americans are left with such a terrible, enshittified digital information economy that we must entertain even our enemies for alternatives.
Why is China your enemy?
I’ll be more specific. The PRC (government) is an enemy to humanity in view.
Competition.
