The China-centric video sharing platform is expanding with a new international app and an English version of its website – with no identity verification (for now at least)
Now you can choose between a platform owned by the far-right and a platform owned by the far-left.
Good. Seriously - enough with YouTube’s vs censorship and making predators like Jake Paul and mr beast into millionaires
Edit: Ugh… checked on bilibili and noticed he also has a channel there. The guy is like a parasite to humanity
Thank you for pointing out that shitnugget, its enough for me to know that i never will use bilis platform out of sheer principle
Competition is a good thing. YouTube needs competition, so they fear of losing users and creators and do something useful. Where other platforms exists as a niche alternative and don’t even have the power to rival YouTube, this one Bilibili at least has a chance.
We already have Odysee, Rumble & other platforms. They don’t even count for a tiny dent in the YouTube universe.
Cool, I’m gonna upload Tienanmen massacre documentary as a first thing.
Something something the one joke (about China)
They ran over children with tanks and it’s a crime to talk about it there.
Yes I will make fun of the Chinese government for not acknowledging their atrocities. Yes I also refuse to shut up about the US government putting Japanese-Americans in camps during WW2, or shooting college kids at Kent state, or putting Mexican kids in cages under the past 3 presidents. Don’t let governments hide the boot they want on our necks
Try following it with something scathing about Trump.
The timing couldn’t be better, considering that YouTube doubled the amount of views required to become a YouTube partner for new Creators. If you can get monetized on BiliBili aas well amd earn money with it like you can with YouTube, new Creators might indeed choose BiliBili over YT now.
The only people who care about these limits are spammers. The minimum gets you like 30$ a month - no one is making real content for 30$.
Well more competition is good and we really need more alternative platforms. Can they make a browser as an alternative to chrome… Or push Firefox?
Honestly not sure why more people don’t use Firefox. It’s brilliant, especially with uBlock and Sponsorblock added.
yeah…ok…but no thanks…the idea is to use youtube less, not youtube++ more…but I guess a hosting alternative is good. Just not for anything even remotely critical of China.
It’s gotta follow the local laws of where it’s hosted, so I doubt they’ll be allowed to have as strong censorship laws when they make a USA and EU version tbh
Well, they’ll be just as strong in the USA, but focuses on no anti-trump
Welp
There goes my bootleg international wrestling show full shows I used to watch there because copyrights will catch them atp
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I’m so glad I live in the west where we don’t have social credit
Anyhow, how’s your credit score looking? Pretty good? I’ve heard posting things that are anti-capitalist can reduce it, so be careful what you post!
Isn’t the dystopian social credit system in China just an exaggerated propaganda? I thought its a similar system to the US credit scores.
So generally, in the PRC, the central government will put out a request or state a problem, and then provinces will attempt to implement a solution independently. If the central government likes the out come of one of the trialed system they might make it national policy.
That’s basically what social credit was. The central government gave a vague cryptic request for potential solutions about low trust in modern society, and a bunch of different provinces implemented various ideas, some via contract to private companies. Some provinces didn’t trial anything, some trialed systems that were basically just credit scores, some trialed a system of ranking “how good of a citizen you are” and gave gift cards and stuff to people who scored high.
Ultimately, the central government choose not to adopt any of them and the various trials were spun down. So, social credit was a lot of things, and thus multiple different ideas of what it was are correct, but it wasn’t ever a nation wide thing and is largely defunct now.
It’s identical basically
You got the direction of your argument wrong (credit scores are a big problem and proto surveillance state stuff) but no, the social credit system is indeed worse both in terms of what it is used to punish and the means of punishment.
Not arguing, asked a question if my knowledge of a topic was right.
And I was merely giving an answer.
Congratulations, you paid off your credit card debt. As a result your credit score just dropped, good luck on getting that mortgage approved.
Europe exists with neither of these problems. You can get a credit card if you want but loads of people don’t. From a low effort search it actually looks like most people in almost all European countries don’t have one. Few exceptions like Norway but even there you have a very significant minority without one.
UK here and I bought a house without ever having a credit card or worrying or knowing what a credit rating is.
Credit Score it does vary tbh in whether they care about it
Like just to rent a place I had to have good credit score here in Scotland, but when I lived in England they didn’t care as long as I paid them
fortunately, posting that Donald Trump is a pedophile rapist online doesn’t tank your credit score.
try speaking out about China online and see what happens.
personally, I’ve been harassed enough to know I should never visit China.
People in this thread having a normal one, predictably. Like even if (or especially if) you genuinely believe that China is the evil monster you were raised to believe, wouldn’t you be at least a little bit curious to get a window into their online culture? Don’t you want an opportunity for more interaction between Chinese and US/Western netizens?
It’s not for us to decide that. CCP is literally holding Chinese hostage and even if this platform comes to the west the Chinese will never be allowed to mingle with us.
I think chinese internet is very interesting and wish China would be part of global internet one day but until autocrats change their mind it’s not happening.
Literally none of what you said is true. Chinese people regularly interact with people of other countries on the global internet. its Literally impossible not to run into Chinese netizens on any major social media site.
You can already get a VPN for ingoing traffic to China and “experience” it.
What I believe is in freedom of the internet. As in everyone should be able to access it and no one should be able to police what is on it. Complete free flow of information. Reddit should exist in the state that it does and lemmy should be there to counter balance it and no nation state should be able to say “no, we only allow one of these”. This doesn’t undermine any existing legal frameworks mind you. For example: distribution of underage pornography is still a crime almost everywhere and those who operate such sites are fair game for prosecution.
I get this may be too radical of an idea for some, but I truly believe education is the key to information literacy, not censorship.
This isn’t a new idea though, it was the “hacker” ethos of the 90s. Most nerds believed in that. But it was wrong because we do need to limit hate speech. Because racist speech is racist recruitment. And we do need to limit the influence of plutocrats and corporations on information.
I also believe neoliberalism is a failed and genocidal ideology that should similarly be banned like advocating for fascism.
Like the other commenter pointed out the other problem is the massive power imbalance. They have billions and they crush us. It doesn’t matter if something is right or wrong if billions are spend to hire the smartest sociopaths to craft an ad or PR campaign to emotionally manipulate the masses.
And the truth matters. We have a fundamental human right to reality. Constantly amplifying bullshit for revenue makes the actual flow of important information and ideas impossible.
This just means rich individuals decide what people see instead of states. It doesn’t result in education.
No they don’t. If I don’t want to see what Reddit wants me to see, I just switch to Lemmy instead. Reddit cannot ban Lemmy. But if the state had censorship powers, they could ban Lemmy.
I think its the same problem with the press on TV and print form. Rich individuals can buy up all press outlets and control the narrative. Its hard (and restrictive) to broadcast on TV and print. On the internet, at least the freedom to publish and access information has a low barrier to entry. A rich individual may buy one lemmy instance, can they buy them all? Can they buy its successor? The lower barrier and less restrictive nature of the internet (or how it should be) is too fast moving for them to compete imo. All the states need to do is educate people on how to consume media correctly.
A rich individual may buy one lemmy instance, can they buy them all?
Yes, easily. Additionally, they can control the search engines which lead there or not, the commonly used platforms for code sharing so that development is more difficult, and so forth. They have an incredible advantage through economy of scale. The barrier to entry for putting any information on the internet may not be very high, but making it findable and accessible has a very high barrier, and relies on corporate-controlled platforms.
As an American I’ve been using billibilli for a long long time as I consume a lot of Chinese media.
Billibilli is dog shit, the company is awful, the platform is cancer, and the entire thing makes YouTube and Google look like fucking saints.
Like holy fuck. I do not give one fucking flying piece of shit about china bad america good or any of that nonsense.
The fucking Chinese bullshit that people have to put up with on billibilli is outright nonsense. I just want to watch my fucking silly videos and dramas.
And all that said YouTube is ALSO dog shit with out any saving graces. It’s all fucking awful.
On the one hand, Chinese companies get an unfair advantage domestically. On the other, I would love to see Google sweat.
Literally every company is given a domestic advantage in their home country? Subsidies and visibility etc in home turf is not a new concept China has invented for their products.
What is an unfair advantage?
Hell ignore that, Google helps to write us trade policies. Do people really think there’s an open free market system in America or Europe for that matter? Look at Donald Trump’s inauguration. The Peasants were kept out but all the tech bro CEOs were there. Y’all are dreaming if you think that things are fair right now. Especially if you don’t think it’s a two-way street.
Being blocked is one I think
I just dislike the traditional framing of things like “unfair” in contexts like this. It’s always been used by dominant powers to destroy any domestic capacity. In this example, if China had never put up any barriers to foreign tech, they would have none of their own at all by now.
chat do yall think this is good or bad
Depends on if they require sign in or not.
at least it won’t require passport for signing up anymore lol
The popular Chinese alternative to YouTube, Bilibili, with around 376 million monthly active users, has confirmed plans to expand more aggressively outside China. The company has relaunched its international app for Android and iOS, and removed the previous requirement for overseas users to provide identity documents such as a passport.
I knew if I scrolled enough I’d find a good take
If so, Proton aliases FTW!
Last I checked using a browser they didn’t, could be changing though.
If they actually have age divided portions of their platform, where adults are free to make adult content such as history, reviews of hentai, and so forth, I am all for it. Youtube sucks because it doesn’t treat the audience or creators as adults, and often changes the rules at the drop of a hat.
Personally, I am guessing it will fall to Peertube and other fediverse platforms to offer genuine freedom for people, but I wouldn’t complain if Bili breaks the camel’s back known as Youtube.
I thought China has extremely strict porn laws and laws censoring gory content, I’d expect it to be even worse in that regard. PeerTube and Odysee seem the most promising right now
It’ll just be one more source to add to my GrayJay client at the end of the day lol
How well does GrayJay work? Freetube used to work amazing but it’s a tug of war now with google which frequently bans my IP. And it’s yt only.
I found this article actually explaining how to bypass this for yt-dlp. But I wonder how far we’ll come to have this in a multi source app.
Hasn’t had any issues that weren’t rectified within a day for me. It has sorta yt-dlp functionality integrated with any source (so exporting your playlist to a local backup is a breeze).
Since the community can add their own sources, it’s relatively easy to find one if the one you want isn’t on the official support list. You also can use the client on any non-apple device so that’s cool. (Even has local sync which is sick)
As for the IP stuff, it usually only stops playback if YT flags you as a bot (since the client doesn’t send the telemetry data back to google that would normally validate your “humanity”), but something as simple as a VPN location/address change is enough to keep on watching (and the original address will work again within an hour).
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Right. Because what people are just clamoring for is MORE draconian over sight on their public video platform.🙄
The thing is i dont give a shit if china tracks my web usage. What are they gonna do? Arrest me if I ever go there? But here in the US the US govt literally will come to your house and arrest you, that’s the actual threat to me.
