I seriously need to get this giant big cyberpunk writing/worldbuilding project of mine on the road.
Because at the moment, cyberpunk is becoming aspirational. Reality is just, dunno, cyberpunk but dumb as hell.
I like to call it burgerpunk
Its really just called capitalism
Better get the guillotines ready, make the french proud
Surely if the US is engaging in mass surveillance than China can’t be… otherwise which superpower am I supposed to cheer for?
Americans weren’t joking when they said that stuff about China, they were parroting an exaggerated version of the reality, which was being fed to them by people who don’t actually care about limiting mass surveillance.
Not to glaze surveillance, but at the very least it can have some positive results, like in China, where it helped bring down crime to non-existent levels, and increased public safety.
You can just leave your stuff on the street and come back for it later, without worrying about theft. Whether or not it balances the negatives is another question entirely, but I think we can all agree some upsides beat no upsides any day.
As opposed to countries such as the US, Australia or the UK, where surveillance is used for nothing but spying on you and ensuring you’re as miserable as physically possible. Nobody even bothers using the existing surveillance infrastructure for any positive effects. It’s like everything only has the sole purpose of benefitting the oligarchs.
Similarly, the EU is slowly pushing some surveillance plans, with no thought behind them whatsoever. As of right now, they’d be a 100% net loss for everyone, everywhere, in every situation, except the tiny elite class.
I guess they just got tired of pretending lately. Even the good old “think about the children” is used less often nowadays. Soon it’ll just be “submit without question or get executed.”
For so many years we’ve been manipulated to be grateful for everything, because we could always be living in a dystopia like China. And here we are, moving in a considerably worse direction, without even the slightest benefits of those dystopian structures.
Have we forgotten the most effective ways of keeping politicians in check?
You know what eliminates crime way better than cameras? Eliminating poverty.
Murica: “understood”
begins eliminating the poor
In the United States the murder resolution rate is around 50% (in Canada it is around 60-something%) meaning despite massive surveillance they don’t catch a lot of the more serious crimes. In NYC the most surveilled areas actually have lower murder resolution rates.
I’d rather have to worry about my shit being stolen than have ANY government owned cameras tbh. I like a little crime in my life.
For so many years we’ve been manipulated to be grateful for everything, because we could always be living in a dystopia like China
I’d like to know what world you’ve been living in where that was the case because for as long as I can remember, being raised in America we are taught about the racism, economic issues, and rise of inequality, and watching it blasted on the news
You are grossly generalizing a country with 50 individual education systems let alone how different regions like the south are from the northeast.
You’re trying to make the same point you’re willfully missing yourself.
Even the good old “think about the children” is used less often nowadays. Soon it’ll just be “submit without question or get executed.”
TBH we have the “think of the corporations” line these days that’s used more than think of the children
Think of the poor, starving slumlords before passing that anti-rent gouging bill!
poor blackrock! how can we expect people to ever live in a society if they can’t exploit people and then see their plans through to make profit from them at the expense of literally everyone else?!?!
Aren’t uber and lyft vehicles privately owned cars? They can’t do that…
An important part of the article is that Uber and Lyft are not sending footage - it was an idea Flock came up with and pitched.
I’m sure they will make it part of the employment contract under the guise of “safety.”
And what’s worse, eventually all the information gathered from all this surveillance will be turned into training data for AI. So right now, for all intents and purposes, none of us has any true privacy. And one of the most deeply damaging aspects of this is that it changes how we think. Subconsciously, when we’re engaged in thinking and we have even a brief idea that our thoughts might somehow, someday be known (through the actions of a surveillance state, for example), we reframe our ideas so that one day they will be known by someone else; they will have an audience. This is a much different state than when we’re able to think with the freedom of knowing, even subconsciously, that our ideas are completely private.
I wasn’t joking when I said the ccp spies on their citizens and I wasn’t joking when I said the US spies on their citizens after the Patroit Act. The normalization of a surveillance police state all across the world is terrifying.
Uk too.
Seems like USA is trying to be everything bad with china with none of the good parts
What good parts are there in China for the average citizen?
IDK their public transit and high speed trains seem pretty good. And they seem to actually be building high density, walkable housing (and it must be relatively affordable if some people can afford 2 or 3 places to live).
Umm not sure if you have been to China or actually know people from there, but no, public transportation isn’t good everywhere (especially in rural regions), and housing absolutely isn’t affordable, typically you need an entire families worth of income that goes to the son to afford a home, and on top of that, when you buy a home in China, you are given 70 year lease on the land, so not sure how many Americans would want that sort of thing. Great thinking of how things are far worse in other countries though.
housing absolutely isn’t affordable typically you need an entire families worth of income that goes to the son to afford a home, and on top of that, when you buy a home in China, you are given 70 year lease on the land, so not sure how many Americans would want that sort of thing.
Weird how despite all that, the home ownership rate in China is 96%
Maybe read up a little more on that before touting that 90% number. Not exactly sure you’ll enjoy those results: https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes/
What ever happened to that Social Credit score
Seems to have been mostly projection. America is the one with the “social credit score” that is used to judge people’s worth before most important transactions.
what fucking dashcams connect to the internet? and why would someone want to pay for a dataplan for it?
Uber certainly would. Just sell the data and make profit. Or realistically, just start scanning for bluetooth and wifi mac addresses, and upload that with GPS, which is what Flock is planning on doing, now you just tie it to a one time scanned license plate. Isn’t technology grand? Ugh.
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Chinese citizen would be living under
Correction: Chinese citizens already living under a surveillance state. UK and now US and also many other countries is merely learning from the best(worst). Mandatory age verification for socmed and game? China already have that years ago. ISP level blocking? Great Firewall of China is there from the beginning.
End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw. China is living in this complete dystopia already and the only reason we don’t hear it because China is very good at hiding this. The great firewall is as much to contain Chinese inside as it is to repel others.
China is very good at hiding this
then how do you know about this ?
End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw
I know imessage is commonly used and it’s e2e. The firewall is a blacklist not a whitelist, and Github isn’t blocked. They would have to manually block any server that hosts matrix/xmpp if they wanted to actually enforce that. The most annoying thing they do (at least in Shanghai) is the ISP’s have
raw.githubusercontent.comresolve to0.0.0.0, but you can just manually add the ip in your/etc/hostsfile. Maybe it’s to make downloading releases tarballs more annoying to encourage domestic alternatives?
The US was spying on all backbone data 20 years ago. The US has no need to block websites because it has a big enough propaganda network to control the narrative on those websites, and there is less incentive to propping up the US tech industry by blocking competition like there is with the Chinese tech industry.
Did you cry hard enough when the orange man died?
reason #(big number) to not go to the US
integer overflow
The surveillance state is not just in the US. China and the UK love that shit too. Pretty much any government with the money and will for it is doing it for the benefit of a digital panopticon.
Funny how this surveillance never correlates with any happiness or safety metrics. It’s almost like it’s not there to improve society but to control it or something 🤔
There is somewhere between 60% and 90% of Americans who think at least one party in government, or Israel rulership that, hates them. In China, that is well under 10%. Both are extreme surveillance states. In China, you can plug a charger for your ebike on the street, and no one will steal it. Its used for genuine property protection instead of CIA Man persecution.
So the “Chinese were living under” line misses the point of what surveillance is used for. US decline needs desperate regime oppression to perpetuate itself from the threat of the people it hates, but who may/have the democratic power to escape the clockwork orange propaganda feed.
And no one will steal it
Too bad someone will steal you before you can get back to the bike if you have the wrong political sticker on the bike :/
