• psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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    8 hours ago

    Chinese citizen would be living under

    Correction: Chinese citizens already living under a surveillance state. UK and now US and also many other countries is merely learning from the best(worst). Mandatory age verification for socmed and game? China already have that years ago. ISP level blocking? Great Firewall of China is there from the beginning.

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      4 hours ago

      End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw. China is living in this complete dystopia already and the only reason we don’t hear it because China is very good at hiding this. The great firewall is as much to contain Chinese inside as it is to repel others.

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    10 hours ago

    The surveillance state is not just in the US. China and the UK love that shit too. Pretty much any government with the money and will for it is doing it for the benefit of a digital panopticon.

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      4 hours ago

      Funny how this surveillance never correlates with any happiness or safety metrics. It’s almost like it’s not there to improve society but to control it or something 🤔

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    12 hours ago

    There is somewhere between 60% and 90% of Americans who think at least one party in government, or Israel rulership that, hates them. In China, that is well under 10%. Both are extreme surveillance states. In China, you can plug a charger for your ebike on the street, and no one will steal it. Its used for genuine property protection instead of CIA Man persecution.

    So the “Chinese were living under” line misses the point of what surveillance is used for. US decline needs desperate regime oppression to perpetuate itself from the threat of the people it hates, but who may/have the democratic power to escape the clockwork orange propaganda feed.

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      5 hours ago

      And no one will steal it

      Too bad someone will steal you before you can get back to the bike if you have the wrong political sticker on the bike :/

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    12 hours ago

    For decades people have been warming about inverted totalitarianism… where private companies do the heavy lifting in controlling and surveillance or the population. Very few listened. Now that we are approaching complete sacrifice of your privacy to these companies, people are finally waking up. But it may be too late.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    13 hours ago

    The problem is that state agents can use surveillance tech or surveillance services with no regulatory review on how this technology interacts with the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, what is specifically supposed to protect Americans from this sort of stuff.

    This is partly due to the presumption of regularity, the assumption by courts that law enforcement follows rules, even when we know they historically do not. (And DHS is even worse).

    It’s a separate problem that private companies can also buy this data. They shouldn’t have the right to surveil Americans for private purposes any more than the state does.

    Also be aware that some districts that are ending their contracts with Flock Safety are quietly switching over to other ALPR services such as Axon. Don’t let your district get away with it.

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          Some do. That’s an idiotic take of why a taxi over an Uber. You don’t think that if Uber didn’t exist that cabs wouldn’t add cameras? Just Google the number of companies that have already added cameras to them.

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      13 hours ago

      The other day, I saw the first Waymo van in Sacramento.

      If I saw the Waymo van, then it saw me, and Waymo infamously shares all its scanning data with law enforcement.

      I wasn’t doing anything illegal, but that doesn’t really matter in the states. Crime here is not about what you did, but who you are. And it’s becoming also about what you think.

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    15 hours ago

    Always thought it was weird that they would scoff at their “social credit score” system. Emphasis on “social”. As if that was the fucked up part.

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      It amazes me that the western propaganda keeps talking about a Chinese social credit system that is an extension of existing social rankings and ratings in China which have existed for millennia, but no one blinks an eye to this American credit system that is horrendous. The Chinese system is mainly in place for business, not so much the individual, like in the US.

      The US credit system is a way to make the poor, poorer with insane interest rates that are illegal in other parts of the world. The matrix for the credit system is unclear as it is managed by private companies. The whole thing is insane, but no let’s point at evil China where the system has no impact on normal people, unlike in the US.

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        4 hours ago

        except china ALSO has a credit system, exactly the same one we do in the west but with a nice topping of authoritarian dystopian government inputs. yay!