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I just don’t use AI at all for this. I only use it for formatting my code, auditing my code, and research (that I verify). I would never use it for communication.
I use it for skincare advice and it’s shockingly going very well because I know enough about skincare to correct it and it can put some stuff together that I didn’t think of. My husband is just like you, for code and research that he verifies.
Our neighbor tried to text us some confrontational shit about why he didn’t owe us $900 for a fence he agreed to and it was so, so bad. It was 4 paragraphs of just AI cringe. Embarrassing as hell.
The website is to send to a friend or colleague who responds to you with AI. Similar to nohello.net
I use it for communication because I am able to find better sentence structure and words with it and find best options suitable and more in line with what I want to convey.
Do this instead You can use AI. Seriously! It’s a great tool for drafting. Just read what it gave to you , then write your own version, or polish the text. Don’t be a middleman between it and the answer.
You’re still acting as the middle man for the answer. You didn’t answer fucking shit. If you, the human being, have nothing to add yourself, stay the fuck out of the conversation.
Yes, and that paragraph completely contradicts an earlier one.
It might not look like it, but the person on the other side has the same tools you do. If they wanted the generic answer, they’d have it in a couple of seconds.
They’re not asking you because they want you to “polish the text” from AI. They could also do that themselves.
Yes this site is close to being good imo, but just falls short and misses the mark. Even if someone tells me verbally, “I asked AI and it said…” I mentally check out and disregard all they say lol
The other day I was out with two of my friends.
My one friend thought her car had a small issue. Me and my other friend are more knowledgeable about cars. We were like, “oh don’t worry about that, that’s normal.” First friend kept fretting until she looked it up on AI and AI said… the same thing that us, the two people standing next to her had said. She was so skeptical after what we said, and so relieved when AI said it was fine. I was so annoyed lmao.
I got an email from a client last week asking me to install an AI-generated list of containers onto a server. The key container, the database at the center of the whole system, has commits from Claude in it’s git repository. Great start guys.
They outsouced the software architect job to a chatbot and then had a veteran of the industry who has been around since the internet equivalent of the big bang install a handful of docker containers. Reverse centaur to the max.
It’s going to hurt in 12 months time if they realise the reason why everything sucks is because they built on sand. But they probably won’t even realise why the project failed because their chatbot won’t be able to tell them why.
It honestly feels very disrespectful of my time when someone sends me an AI slop response or email.
Don’t be that person.
I would be stricken with grief if my reputation ever took a hit like that. I would resign and become a nomadic goat farmer. Or a bin man. Any job with heaps of shit, which is apparently my true calling.
This comes obvious to me, but if I wanted to ask an LLM I would’ve done it myself
Send this to the people in your life, you know who
I’ll wait for the “Fuck you for using AI you lazy twat” website.
Scroll to the bottom, there’s a link to a spicier phrasing.
Also, quote from there:
You’re just making someone lose respect for you in real time, in a way that’s hard to walk back.
I feel that, I have lost respect for people that way and don’t want to be friends anymore :(
Don’t copy and paste. Type it out with rage!
I never have this problem of people giving me AI responses to my questions.
What I do have a problem with is people who do this:
I just say hi back and check my messages again in a half hour. They blew their chance!
I have people I just ignore until there’s two notifications
I have both and now have both links saved for reference
Hey
Just ignore them. They will catch on eventually.
Yeah, I straight up don’t respond until they’ve asked/said the thing that they’re contacting me for.
Usually they finish their thought without me ever needing to respond. I did have one coworker who just… never said anything else. That’s also a win.
Are you talking about people just saying “hi” or the meta-behavior of people using nohello.net in their Teams/Slack status? Because the latter is more annoying to me
How come you find the latter annoying?
It’s the most effective way to let the entire company aware they should not start their conversation that way with me
IDK, have you considered that perhaps the people demanding to be approached/questioned in a specific way are the friction point here?
Even on the nohello site, the “right” and “wrong” conversations are the exact same length (two messages each way). I genuinely struggle to see the point of any of this.
I used to contract with a company where it was almost ubiquitous for someone to start a text-based conversation with the entire message: “Hey…” — ellipses and everything. It was bad enough that other members of my company that were contracted to the same contract would jokingly add ellipses to random things when messaging each other.
I love it… when people use ellipses… in business writing. So dramatic… so mysterious…
Odd…
…?
It has been an interesting experience telling people who only say hello that they’re being rude.
I think autism bit me in the ass again 😭
I don’t think this accounts for situations where people never read any announcements or docs and DM you with the same questions over and over again despite your best efforts to spread the knowledge.
People who DM you with Hi <Name> or GM! Then silence.
People who don’t know how to use asynchronous communication and are still stuck in the email era.
A cheap smart auto reply is worth more to me than hurting people’s feelings. My feelings are hurt when you think it’s okay to ask me a question in the FAQ, especially when it’s an established doc site.
Things aren’t this black and white, what I experience is not the same as this person. I may paste some AI slop vomit but that may very well be the insult that I am reaching for as I will not be your personal search engine for simple troubleshooting.
I actually like responding to these things. Its nice to chat with someone. The problem generally is my bosses don’t like it as a use of my time. I sorta miss back when being a tech person meant helping people individually with what they needed half the time. It was a nice break from the servers and such.
if someone pastes text from llm, i wont even read it.
My response to one person was “If you couldn’t take the time to write it, what makes you think I’m going to take the time to read it.”
This is such a bizarre take on AI.
If I ask you a question, I want a useful answer. I don’t care whether you got there by remembering it, Googling it, reading documentation, asking a colleague, or asking an LLM.
Obviously, blindly pasting 2,000 words of irrelevant AI slop is annoying. But that’s a problem with bad answers, not with AI.
The particularly stupid part is suggesting that you should take a perfectly good AI-generated answer and rewrite it in your own words. What exactly has been achieved then? The information is identical, except somebody wasted five minutes manually paraphrasing it so the recipient can feel sufficiently exposed to human keystrokes.
Use AI. Give it the relevant context. Verify important claims. Remove irrelevant garbage. Send the useful answer.
Judge communication by its accuracy, relevance and usefulness—not by how inefficiently somebody produced it.
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This doesn’t seem sarcastic.
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I was/am. ChatGPT wasn’t. But that’s the joke. It is ironic to post an LLM generated answer to a post explaining that LLM generated answers are stupid.
I think this is too many levels of irony for lemmy lol
LOL remember “lmgtfy”? This is the modern and opposite equivalent.
Pro tip for any hiring managers out there. At the end of your job description, prompt inject something that is totally unrelated to the job at the end of the job posting. So far I have been able to catch 75% of the sloppy AI applications using this method. For me I added something like, a nice to have is to explain and understand an Q shaped team structure.
AI gets super creative with what that means(means nothing). For the people who do get through, that is usually their first question to me.
I always read my AIs suggestion and while removing the em dashes, I read the entire thing.
Or maybe just don’t use AI at all? It’s not a reliable source of information, it’s unsustainable in terms of resources consumed, it’s unethically trained and it makes everyone’s lives worse.
By AI do you mean LLMs specifically? All LLMs, or just the corporate ones? Because I fully agree that ChatGPT, Gemini, etc. truly are awful. But this is also catching genuinely useful technological advances in with the wide net. AI isn’t just LLMs, LLMs aren’t just chat bots. And claiming a technologies worst implementations are indicative of the entire tech would see just about every single technology ever made fall in the same category.
Obviously I’m using AI here as a shorthand for (all) LLMs, like the author of the article. The term AI is, on its own, so broad and meaningless, as to be entirely useless without a proper context to scope it.
No LLM (corporate or not) can be a reliable source of information due to the architectural limitations of LLMs.
Then you don’t actually understand what LLMs are, and you’re using the term as a short-hand to mean chat bots. I’m not trying to be rude, but you need to understand that is just a fact, if you think LLMs can only be chat-bots, and can only be corporate, and can only be trained unethically.
Would it surprise you to know that quite a lot of genuine advances have been made by using LLMs that don’t speak any language you’d recognize? Evo 1 and Evo 2 for example “Speak” genome sequences. There are other models that have been used to improve weather modeling, and animal behaviour analysis.
You’re right that AI is a very broad term, but so is LLM. The problem is that ignorant people see “AI” and automatically assume it’s bad because of the connotation with Chat-Bots.
if you think LLMs can only be chat-bots, and can only be corporate, and can only be trained unethically
Don’t put words in my mouth.
1 and Evo 2 for example “Speak” genome sequences. There are other models that have been used to improve weather modeling, and animal behaviour analysis.
Evo 1 and 2 are deep learning models (I think Genomic Language Models would be the correct term), but not Large Language Models. I’m willing to bet neither are the “other” models you’re mentioning. They’re unlikely to be trained on vast amounts of human text for purposes of natural language interaction.
Besides, none of those “other models” are in any way applicable to either the OP or the critique of using LLMs as a source of information.
This is my point. They are LLMs. That is not an opinion or a debatable point. They are categorically, definitionally, LLMs. You don’t understand what LLMs are, because LLMs ARE deep learning models, and instead of taking the time to actually learn about the technology you’re responding to my corrections with hostility.
You and I are on the same side. Chat-bots ARE harmful. But putting that label on a technology as a whole is purely tribe-based fear that is already causing the spread of unfounded fear and misinformation.
And the claim wasn’t “Don’t use AI as a source of information,” which I agree with. It was “Don’t use any AI,” which you clarified to mean LLMs. So this is very much pertinent.
You don’t understand what LLMs are, because LLMs ARE deep learning models, and instead of taking the time to actually learn about the technology you’re responding to my corrections with hostility.
You’re claiming that I don’t understand technology while seemingly claiming that because LLMs are a type of deep learning, then all deep learning models are LLMs.
Evo was trained on genomic sequences, not human text. Per Wikipedia:
A large language model (LLM) is an AI model (typically a neural network) trained on a vast amount of text for natural language processing tasks, especially language generation.
Genomic sequences are not natural language. Ergo, “definitionally” Evo 2 is not an LLM.
While its StripedHyena2 architecture is very similar to LLMs, it does not use the same Generative Pretrained Transformer architecture associated with LLMs (per: https://docs.nvidia.com/bionemo-recipes/2.6.3/interactives/illustrated-evo2/index.html ).
My hate of LLMs is certainly not misinformed. It’s only tribe-based in that I care for humanity.
We were having an urgent issue at work and my coworker said he had a solution and I said what was it and he sent like three paragraphs which I read through and I said, "what the fuck does this even say? did you even read this?"he said, he thought it was a solution and I asked why he bothered to even send it and he said he wanted to send me the “source”. I was like, I don’t time to deal with the core of this issue but if anyone sends me AI shit without checking it themselves, I’m gonna flip.
They tried to solve the problem using AI, got AI slop, but didn’t understand why it wouldn’t help.
This drives me nuts, when an urgent issue comes up I value concise, accurate answers so we can quickly agree and actually do the work.
We had an urgent issue recently and upper management wanted a plan for validating the fix. Rather than talking to the expert the manager one level down just sent an AI written suggestion without checking with anyone. After having checked with the correct person, I had to respond with “This is the MIL standard, we should follow this” while “ignoring” the manager’s email. Luckily I had the goodwill to get away with correcting people like that.
it makes everyone’s lives worse
that part is untrue.
Fair enough, it makes Jensen Huang’s life better, I suppose.
Mine too ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just like all those developers from the study who thought they were 19% faster but were, in fact, 10% slower?
If that study is the only thing you have as an argument you won’t get very far (though it is worth it to read the thoughts of some of the participants: https://domenic.me/metr-ai-productivity/).
It is very helpful to me as a developer: I can now write entire custom tools, one-off scripts and services for myself I otherwise wouldn’t (because it would take too much time and too much effort), it catches a lot of logic bugs in code reviews as a first pass, it’s good at generating unit-tests, etc, etc.
But coding is not all there is. To me as an immigrant, AI-based translation is a godsend. Same for writing scary-looking letters to government officials or applications for apartment viewings. Same for learning a language, actually. When I was looking for a new job - I used ChatGPT’s automation to filter out crappy job postings and parse feedback on Glassdoor for the interesting ones. Like, genuinely, if we imagine for a moment that there’s zero moral and environmental issues with AI and you still can’t think of any possible applications of it for yourself you’re either just not doing anything or you’re dead.
Do you really think there’s only one study that shows that AI increases feelings of productivity, while also slowing down productivity?
If it is catching that many bugs, you are writing shit code or your review system blows. Likely both. The AI is about as likely to flag real bugs as it is to flag made up shit, but I still have to waste my fucking time verifying and proving the bot wrong. And you know what it didn’t do? Save me time. Because I had to verify everything it said for no fucking reason.
And my fucking god, don’t let it generate Tests. You get the worst Asserts imaginable. Goddamn. If you aren’t writing your unit tests, then you won’t know what you are testing.
Also, AI-based translation is hilariously awful. Like, let’s assume for the sake of argument that the translation was technically correct (a thing that is not even mostly true), it will always underperform in terms of meaning because good translation conveys the spirit of the words and not the letter. AI translations don’t know shit from Jack because they don’t know anything, nor do they understand the context in which the words stand. And if you are having issues with translating and you’re relying on AI to do so, then how the fuck would you even know it was working correctly?
Legitimately stupid.
But, sure, take out all the slave labor and environmentally devastating issues (a thing that only huge losers do because they are usually friendless assholes that think they’re as cool as Elon Musk and are unintentionally right), and you are left with a machine that is sometimes right but still cognitively damaging.
Also, AI-based translation is hilariously awful. Like, let’s assume for the sake of argument that the translation was technically correct (a thing that is not even mostly true), it will always underperform in terms of meaning because good translation conveys the spirit of the words and not the letter. AI translations don’t know shit from Jack because they don’t know anything, nor do they understand the context in which the words stand. And if you are having issues with translating and you’re relying on AI to do so, then how the fuck would you even know it was working correctly?
Honest question: You have not tried DeepL, right?
A lot of bold “I am smart you are stupid arararara” statements rooted in pure anger and angst rather than trying to have a conversation. Though I never expected less from lemmings, I knew where I was posting ;^)
I don’t need to prove the validity of my experience to you or convince you of anything, but I’m happy to talk. If you are going to immediately resort to personal attacks then your ““arguments”” are not worth replying to, I’m not about to have a shout match with you, I’d rather go do something more interesting. Tho feel free to continue shouting into the void if it makes it easier for you, I guess?
We’re not talking about development work, we’re talking about conversation between friends right? I could have misread something though.
