Nuance exists. Trump did ensure Project Warp Speed was enacted for COVID vaccines. I lauded him for at least doing the bare fucking minimum expected of an actual leader for once.
Look at every other policy Mamdani has managed to put in place already and then tell me why we should be mad at the guy over fixing another large issue in as sweeping a manner as he is reasonably able. You know, especially considering the federal administration would love for him to do anything “radical” so they can disappear him.
I’d see that tweet and say a broken clock is right twice a day.
Its not a perfect solution, but its a manageable step in the right direction that immediately benefits workers following a path of least resistance.
The perfect solution is to banish tipping and force employers to pay more. The reality of doing that, in an unguided way, is that Lyft/Uber would either pull out of NYC or find loopholes to stiff the worker. Forcing higher tip options is a quick solution, that’s easily implementable and enforcable, as a greater coalition builds of people believing in the government there will be less resistance to perfect solutions.
But for now, something that tangibly benefits workers is a good thing, and it certainly isn’t a bad thing.
which would be a great thing tbh, but they would never pull out of such a big city. you could probably force them do double every salary overnight and they would still be able to afford it.
you could probably force them do double every salary overnight and they would still be able to afford it.
They’d crank the prices up for the end user, and make it very clear that it’s Mamdani’s fault your ride home from the club is 3x what it usually is (because you know they would increase it more than they actually need).
They’d just leave the city because it would become unprofitable.
It would need to be subsidized somehow if you want drivers to make a living wage while also implementing price controls and eliminating tipping. At that point, just have it be a city-owned public service.
Turns out that it costs a lot of money to transport people around for a living wage.
Who said anything about making it unprofitable? It would merely be less profitable, and they won’t leave over that. They can still make a huge amount of profit from volume.
This idea that we are at the mercy of private businesses and there’s nothing we can do to control them needs to die.
They’re also large enough that they could pull out of NYC with a note/call to action on their app bashing Mandami, “Mayor Mandami has passed a law that makes operations unsustainable in NYC. This unrealistic expectation jeopardizes the livelihoods of thousands of drivers and their families in NYC. Please write Mayor Mandami and demand that he repeals Law 863 and restore the jobs of thousands of people. Until then we cannot offer you a ride within NYC limits. Good luck!”
They could simultaneously pay their drivers to protest city hall.
They have the ability to create a protest that would cause most politicians to cave. I don’t know if Mandami would cave, but it certainly would hurt his image - and thus hurt the image of all Democratic Socialists and similar progressive movements.
Conservatism cares a lot about people having jobs. Not about whether they are paid living wages.
i don’t know if mamdani alone does, but point is their profits are huge and they could bring prices down or salaries up if they wanted (or were forced) to.
To be clear though, my argument has nothing to do with the feasibility or responsibility of the government to regulate Lyft/Uber into paying living wages.
My argument is that Mandami is building a movement/coalition through paths of least resistance and sweeping incremental changes as opposed to highly targeted legislative changes.
Biden did wipe out student debt, but because the courts were packed, his efforts were nullified. Had the groundwork been laid first (replacing the courts) then this life changing legislation would have passed. In order to replace the courts, there would need to be a coalition built supporting the change. It’s great to shoot for the moon, but if our progressive spaceship blows up on the way to the moon, our progressive politicians will have a track record of getting nothing accomplished - just like the lazy sacks of shit that are the true enemies of the state: Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, etc.
If we want the moon, and we deserve the moon, then we need to be OK with taking the path of least resistance, getting the easy wins, and building a coalition.
They wouldn’t even need to pull out, they’d pass the increase in costs to the consumers (the riders), and they’ll make it very clear that it’s Mamdani’s fault their ride is so expensive now.
Except Trump only criticizes and mocks stuff. Never says “this is a win for the people” but “I won”. Mamdani isnt talking about himself at all and making a point about how corporations were stealing using the old system and he is making things fair. Is tipping good? Fuck no. But at least the workers are getting more value from their work without capital hoarders lying to them now.
Tipping money isn’t going from the owner class to the working class. It’s just going from workers to other workers. Fundamentally this fixes nothing and if anything tipping culture should be abolished not expanded.
Agreed that tipping should be abolished but you’re missing the problem that Mamdani is addressing. He’s making it harder for the owners to lie to the workers. He is forcing them to follow the laws set forth now so when the laws are changed they have to follow the law or be found liable, which is scary for owners.
Door dash will become more expensive as a “reaction” to this (reaction being an excuse their executives use)
MamdaniDidThis.sticker
Suddenly the former affordability mayor is replaced by an anti-immigrant pro-cop mayor that preaches all about the plight of the white person’s pocketbook and who’s to blame for rising prices, but in a more New Yorker-acceptable tone.
Your entire argument comes down to “But Muhmdani did it and therefore you’re not allowed to criticize it”
Let’s say this is the Tweet what do you think about it now
Nuance exists. Trump did ensure Project Warp Speed was enacted for COVID vaccines. I lauded him for at least doing the bare fucking minimum expected of an actual leader for once.
Look at every other policy Mamdani has managed to put in place already and then tell me why we should be mad at the guy over fixing another large issue in as sweeping a manner as he is reasonably able. You know, especially considering the federal administration would love for him to do anything “radical” so they can disappear him.
I’d see that tweet and say a broken clock is right twice a day.
Its not a perfect solution, but its a manageable step in the right direction that immediately benefits workers following a path of least resistance.
The perfect solution is to banish tipping and force employers to pay more. The reality of doing that, in an unguided way, is that Lyft/Uber would either pull out of NYC or find loopholes to stiff the worker. Forcing higher tip options is a quick solution, that’s easily implementable and enforcable, as a greater coalition builds of people believing in the government there will be less resistance to perfect solutions.
But for now, something that tangibly benefits workers is a good thing, and it certainly isn’t a bad thing.
which would be a great thing tbh, but they would never pull out of such a big city. you could probably force them do double every salary overnight and they would still be able to afford it.
They’d crank the prices up for the end user, and make it very clear that it’s Mamdani’s fault your ride home from the club is 3x what it usually is (because you know they would increase it more than they actually need).
How do you think that would work out for Zohran?
Price controls.
They’d just leave the city because it would become unprofitable.
It would need to be subsidized somehow if you want drivers to make a living wage while also implementing price controls and eliminating tipping. At that point, just have it be a city-owned public service.
Turns out that it costs a lot of money to transport people around for a living wage.
my point is that it wouldn’t. their profit rates are astronomical.
Who said anything about making it unprofitable? It would merely be less profitable, and they won’t leave over that. They can still make a huge amount of profit from volume.
This idea that we are at the mercy of private businesses and there’s nothing we can do to control them needs to die.
They’re also large enough that they could pull out of NYC with a note/call to action on their app bashing Mandami, “Mayor Mandami has passed a law that makes operations unsustainable in NYC. This unrealistic expectation jeopardizes the livelihoods of thousands of drivers and their families in NYC. Please write Mayor Mandami and demand that he repeals Law 863 and restore the jobs of thousands of people. Until then we cannot offer you a ride within NYC limits. Good luck!”
They could simultaneously pay their drivers to protest city hall.
They have the ability to create a protest that would cause most politicians to cave. I don’t know if Mandami would cave, but it certainly would hurt his image - and thus hurt the image of all Democratic Socialists and similar progressive movements.
Conservatism cares a lot about people having jobs. Not about whether they are paid living wages.
the state has the power to suppress that.
i don’t know if mamdani alone does, but point is their profits are huge and they could bring prices down or salaries up if they wanted (or were forced) to.
The state has the power to suppress what?
To be clear though, my argument has nothing to do with the feasibility or responsibility of the government to regulate Lyft/Uber into paying living wages.
My argument is that Mandami is building a movement/coalition through paths of least resistance and sweeping incremental changes as opposed to highly targeted legislative changes.
Biden did wipe out student debt, but because the courts were packed, his efforts were nullified. Had the groundwork been laid first (replacing the courts) then this life changing legislation would have passed. In order to replace the courts, there would need to be a coalition built supporting the change. It’s great to shoot for the moon, but if our progressive spaceship blows up on the way to the moon, our progressive politicians will have a track record of getting nothing accomplished - just like the lazy sacks of shit that are the true enemies of the state: Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, etc.
If we want the moon, and we deserve the moon, then we need to be OK with taking the path of least resistance, getting the easy wins, and building a coalition.
i mean yeah, mamdani is a socdem.
Got it. Youre on the all or nothing boat to hell for everyone.
not really. i was literally agreeing with you, plus explaining it.
They wouldn’t even need to pull out, they’d pass the increase in costs to the consumers (the riders), and they’ll make it very clear that it’s Mamdani’s fault their ride is so expensive now.
Except Trump only criticizes and mocks stuff. Never says “this is a win for the people” but “I won”. Mamdani isnt talking about himself at all and making a point about how corporations were stealing using the old system and he is making things fair. Is tipping good? Fuck no. But at least the workers are getting more value from their work without capital hoarders lying to them now.
Tipping money isn’t going from the owner class to the working class. It’s just going from workers to other workers. Fundamentally this fixes nothing and if anything tipping culture should be abolished not expanded.
Agreed that tipping should be abolished but you’re missing the problem that Mamdani is addressing. He’s making it harder for the owners to lie to the workers. He is forcing them to follow the laws set forth now so when the laws are changed they have to follow the law or be found liable, which is scary for owners.
One lie will be replaced by another.
Door dash will become more expensive as a “reaction” to this (reaction being an excuse their executives use)
MamdaniDidThis.sticker
Suddenly the former affordability mayor is replaced by an anti-immigrant pro-cop mayor that preaches all about the plight of the white person’s pocketbook and who’s to blame for rising prices, but in a more New Yorker-acceptable tone.