• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Remember when we were told to conserve energy with energy efficient appliances and such? We were told to conserve water with low flow showers and toilets? Guess where those savings all went.

    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca
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      17 days ago

      Like my stupid Creative T40 computer speakers that auto shut off after a few minutes of silence to save a handful of millijoules, then annoyingly take 4 seconds to power back up.

      No way to turn off that “feature”.

  • ape_arms@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    I keep seeing it framed as the data centers using too much water. They need the water for the excessive HEAT they produce, with all the ELECTRICITY generated by (in mist cases) FOSSIL FUELS.

    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
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      5 days ago

      Fossil fuel power plants are the fastest and cheapest to build. That’s why they never use renewables. And with the 10y moratorium on regulation (even what’s left of it) for anything AI related, they want to do this now.

      Fuck the US government. They are the enablers.

    • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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      18 days ago

      Yeah that’s a red herring on purpose to distract you from the fact that these data centers are literally running on hundreds of 24/7/365 jet engines being used as generators. It’s so obscene I kind of wonder if a lot of this AI hype and the wars aren’t being driven by the oil industry to prop up their dying business model.

      • eestileib@sh.itjust.works
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        18 days ago

        The Prime Minister of Canada said that the construction of data centers should be encouraged because it will “provide markets for our natural gas”.

        It’s not even a conspiracy theory, it’s openly stated.

        • So many people need to be put against a wall and made to explain, in front of live audiences or cameras, why dying industries NEED to be supported.

          Nobody ever said “the fidget spinner market needs a bailout! They’re a dying industry!”

          Of course, fidget spinners weren’t paying for bribes.

      • LePoisson@lemmy.world
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        18 days ago

        Are they actually running the jet engine generators 24x7x365? Fuck the data center expansion for AI sake but also we should be honest.

  • weps@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    I’ve been working in data centers since 2008.

    What happened? What changed? They used to be incredible.

    I haven’t been in a data center in a couple of years.

    • Platypus@sh.itjust.works
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      18 days ago

      Companies are exploiting regulatory loopholes as they construct new facilities powered by pollutant-spewing onsite gas plants.

      The grid can’t handle the buildout, so new data centers are operating unregulated gray-market power plants.

    • But… But… MY model isn’t run at a data center, it’s all run from my own computer! Oh how did it get trained and refined to the point where I could run it on my computer? Uhhhhhh… Look over there! A distraction!

      The only ethical LLM is MY LLM.

      /s, just in case someone needs it.

    • Broadfern@lemmy.world
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      18 days ago

      There are some out there, yes.

      You’d be surprised at the proportion of the (at least US) population that is disgusted by it and avoids it wherever possible.

      • AshMan85@lemmy.world
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        18 days ago

        im on a sub community of people that hate Ai, and you think ill be surprised to find out there are others that also hate it?

  • Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    Data centers for the unspecified purpose of “we need them”. These idiots are throwing tremendous force behind building these things almost overnight and everywhere. AI alone does not need all these . When this bubble pops it’s going to put us all in the poorhouse but… I bet there will be some cheap ram and hard drives when it goes.

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        18 days ago

        Does that mean you’re ceding your claim to the cheap server grade HDDs? Sounds good to me, I’ve got an apocalypse grade media server to fill

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    18 days ago

    Worse yet, for residents, it’s already likely too late to do anything against the data center expansion.

    “The only chance to stop something like this is to do it at the very, very, very beginning of the process — before the permit is issued — through the public participation process,” former Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) staffer James Doty told Wired.

    Oh I can think of a couple ways they can do something about it