I’ve cancelled my subscription yesterday, conveniently it was about to renew at the end of the week, so I have a few days to migrate from Proton, here’s what I’m thinking of, but I’d love to hear what other people are switching to
Tuta for mail
Mullvad for VPN
Logseq for notes
Keepass for passwords
Kraken is pretty good for wallets as far as I’m concerned (?)
Tuta is also going full AI (slower than proton)
Mullvad is co-owned by someone heavily financing a far-right party
I’ve switched email providers a few times, but I bought a custom domain and use that as my email address. Which makes switching providers easy. I’m sure I don’t need to mention that in a Privacy community, but figured I would anyway.
I went from an @gmail, to @proton (then bought the domain), then switched to Fastmail with same domain.
Obsidian is proprietary. It can go fuck itself.
- Email: Thundermail
- Vault: Bitwarden
- VPN: 1VPN
Windscribe has been good to me as a VPN.
Can’t recommend Windscribe enough!
I’ve been using mailbox.org for a few years now and I love it.
the web client is good, and it was easy to set up on my phone alongside my other accounts.
it costs money (something like €3/year), but it’s worth it.
plus, it’s still relatively new, so if you suffer from Generic White Guy Name™ like I do, you can finally have a username/email address that’s not full of numbers.
You’re better off adding a custom domain anyway, that way you’re not vendor locked and you can move the emails with ease. It’s included in all the subs I think.
can i ask for more details about the email address and generic names thing? I’m not sure i understand whar you mean sorry
Basically there’s no way you could get an email address of just: [first][last]@gmail.com on Gmail, because there are so many users of Gmail. That’s not the case for newer services with less users.
Tuta for email perhaps?
You could check posteo.de for email services, I didn’t have any issues with them since I opened the account about a year ago.
Edit: addition
I’d choose KeepasXC over Bitwarden since it has a built in 2fa which is convenient to.use and made me have much more 2fa configured over less critical services. Most critical services I have 2fa for are separated in a different 2fa method Aegis. Yubikeys and such are top level of course but they require a bit more responsibility in usage.
I’m too nervous to have Bitwarden be both my password manager and 2FA service
I have the same concerns. I use 2fa in the password manager only for non essential services. All essential services are on a different 2fa system, so its easy to use 2fa on most services (more protection overall) but the critical stuff would still be protected if the vault gets leaked somehow.
Posteo would have been my first choice actually but unfortunately they do not seem to support custom domains, otherwise I would switch to them instead of mailbox, on paper it sounds like they have more features for cheaper
Skip bitwarden.
What about vault warden backend so you don’t have to deal with their shit and have 2fa?
Why?
Its now a venture capital project. Its also relying on someone else.
Concern for enshittification recently
a alternaive would be Keypass
Keepassxc, and it can take a while to get sorted on multiple devices.
Has anyone unlinked their SimpleLogin account from Proton? I see its an option, but curious what will happen. I was a subscriber seperately prior to Proton but linked them up later. This will be the harder thing to migrate so if I can keep just simpleLogin going for a while longer. So many aliases :(
It should work without, that was the original idea. But it is owned by Proton now.
If you end up having to create another SL account - this could be useful https://simplelogin.io/docs/getting-started/transfer-alias/
What about simplelogin 😟 I had to subscribe to keep my precious aliases.
@inlandempire Does anyone have opinions on addy.io as a replacement for simplelogin.io?
The primary service that we all need to de-google (or de-proton in this case) is email. The trouble is, the available email services all seem to limit you to 1 user and a few aliases, unless you want to pay a lot more. This kinda makes sense if you are using the proton domain name, they have name space limits and don’t want to become a spam source. However, if you bring your own domain name the breakdown of users and aliases is essentially irrelevant to the cost, and it should only be based on storage and transmit limits. I should be able to have as many user accounts and aliases as I like. This is what I get from MXRoute, and what makes it impossible for my to leave them even though they are mostly US based. I can’t find a solid replacement service that isn’t ripping us off with unnecessary limitations.
In case anyone suggests it, hosting your own email server is a very risky business, and best left to someone else.
available email services all seem to limit you to 1 user and a few aliases,
Have you looked into mailbox.org or posteo.de? The second one doesn’t let you use a custom domain, if you care about that. The first one does.
I’m looking for a Proton replacement too. Haven’t decided yet, but mailbox.org is on my short list. Standard plan gives you 25 aliases. Or you can use a custom domain and have as many alaises as you want.
Pretty funny to suggest anti-open-source Obsidian in a privacy subreddit
subreddit
A what?
Pretty funny to reference anti-open-source reddit in a privacy community
What are some good alternatives? Preferably with a web-client. I am pretty limited in installing software at work.
Obsidi
Joplin would be the typical example, but silverbullet is neat.
I’m currently using zennotes. It has a self hosted option which is a web version.
I can’t seem to find any information on where the company is from. I’ll try to stick with European software, not necessarily because it’s better or more secure, but out of principle. My experience is that if they don’t mention where it’s from it’s most likely not US :)
The Contact section on their Cloud privacy policy has a lumarylabs.com email address, and sure enough that site says Lumary Labs is based in the US.
I would maybe hold off on choosing Bitwarden. Around the time they raised their pricing they started getting venture capitalist money so the enshittification there may be coming. As far as alternatives, the only other one I’ve used besides Proton is KeePass which could be make or break depending on how you setup the vault, I’d probably save it in something pCloud so you aren’t screwed should something happen to your server, but YMMV.
I recently found https://www.aliasvault.com/. It is still in early-ish development but the 1.0 release including a security audit is planned for end of this or beginning of next year. The main developer is also very active on https://www.privacyguides.org/ and listens to community feedback.
Cant wait for it to mature a bit. Right now my biggest gripe is UI/UX related.










