They better get ready on finding these idiots because now they got people who remove the LED lights.
I personally hate the fact that capatilists have fucked our trust so much we can’t have augmented reality glasses. I was really looking forward to that.
These camera lenses are nowhere near AR.
MS HoloLens was the closest we got and it was targeted at businesses. Flopped badly. Died.
It wouldn’t have flopped if they didn’t just gave up on it. They were so far ahead of everyone else but just like they did with WP, they refused to continue building up its potential.
If someone other than Microsoft managed it, it might have gone farther, honestly. Nobody kills a good idea as efficiently as Microsoft.
MS usually does it before anyone else, releases a product, fails to market it, product dies to exec cutback, then three years later Apple does it and it’s amazing.
Apples business models has always been about figuring out why something a competitor did flopped then fixing the flaw (either by improving the tech or just better marketing and management). The industry feeds apple as much as they steal from it. It’s a slow grown company.
Microsoft is basically “we were really aggressive back in the day, established a monopoly everybody hates, and cannot figure out how to compete with modern alternatives in a way that won’t piss off investors”.
Apple is no saint, but they never lied about what they were doing. Microsoft, on the other hand, deserved everything that happened to them.
We need an Open Source version of these glasses. It’s the only solution that will work.
Open source doesnt solve them having a camera and recording everything.
If they were only just that, AR.
Instead they’re “record everyone around you without their consent and post the footage online without their consent to be commented on and shared by others” glasses.
I love the fact lately meta glasses are called pervert glasses constantly.
I’d like to know how well they handle being exposed to IR and/or UV LED flares.
Once that experiment has been performed, try a targeted laser turret.
Human eyes are also sensitive to high intensity IR and UV light so you will also blind a human wearing them. Depending on the wavelength, permanently.
So what? They were okay with wearing glasses anyway.
As usual we advertise the Meta Glasses detecting app:
Glasses Nearby
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.pocketpc.nearbyglasses
iOS version: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nearby-glasses-original/id6761056896
I see some others in the iOS app store that claim to detect nearby “smart” glasses via BLE. I have not tested any of them, so I have no opinion on their usefulness, reliability, privacy, etc:
Nearby Glasses (same name, different app): https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nearby-glasses/id6776279207
Nearby Lens: Glasses Detector: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nearby-lens-glasses-detector/id6760046620
NoGlasshole: Glasses Detector: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/noglasshole-glasses-detector/id6760988897
Nearby Glasses Ray-Ban Scanner (in-app subscription required): https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nearby-glasses-ray-ban-scanner/id6760216782While useful, I would not want my device to be constantly pinging every device around it with wifi, bluetooth, or whatever other radio signal, on the off chance it might catch someone wearing the most groucho marx looking spyglasses on the planet when my own eyes can do that for me.
If not for the sake of my battery life, then for the same reason why I dont leave my bluetooth or wifi on- less avenues for people nearby to gain easy remote access to my device.
Yeah, I don’t think that’s how you’d use it.
You’d see some weirdo in wayfarers and load up the app to check. Simple.
I don’t even trust the “only give permission to use [camera/mic/bluetooth/location] while the app is active” setting.
I would not enter a public space with my phone lit up like a EM Christmas tree, sonar pinging every receiver in sight.
Let alone giving some rando app the access to every piece of NFC/radio comms on the off chance it can positively identify someone’s spy glasses, because that means if they are, ive just given their spy glasses my phone’s identifiers, and I’m spending more time near them and more time to possibly end up on some shady company’s panopticon server.
It’s like the people suggesting shining a laser into a flock camera, it might destroy a bit of the sensor, but they’ve also put a highly visible beam of light directly from themselves to it.
I don’t think the app does that, it’s scanning for pings, not sending out pings. Listening for signals from Meta glasses… it’s not listening to connect with anything, it’s just passively listening. Also it only uses blue tooth… I don’t know what you’re going on about with radio and internet signals.
So you have to leave bluetooth on, which means your device is broadcasting an active bluetooth signal.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/14/opinion/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy.html
If any random shop can use any phone’s active bluetooth to track and profile every user that’s i side or nearby, I don’t want to have bluetooth active when in public. Genuinely not worth it just to fi d some glasshole pervert when my own eyes can do the job without giving away any more of my data. That’s what I’m on about.
So you have to leave Bluetooth on
No, you can spot a weirdo turn blue tooth on and confirm it, then turn it off.
Look, I don’t think this app is for someone like you.
I like how these only became a problem because Meta made them which meant a bunch of morons bought it.
Hidden and pinhole cameras have been a commercially available thing for decades, even on glasses.
Hell they even made one as a kids toy you could buy.
Hidden and pinhole cameras have been a commercially available thing for decades, even on glasses.
And more or less equally problematic?
everyone remember google glasses: spying, watching porn was all anyone could think someone is wearing it.
Interesting enough, while a big flop in the retail market (due to bad reception like you mentioned) I believe they ended up being quite successful in the automated logistics space.
And gynecologists. I remember seeing a news segment when they were discontinued that interviewed one, and she was bummed out.
only became a problem because Meta made them
Anyone who remember “glassholes” knows this isn’t new. Wearing a camera on your literal eyes is still a step too far in this otherwise compromised world.
But yes, I think the big issue here, as others pointed out, has to do with the nature of the company producing them. That’d be especially important for a place like DEFCON, which is all about securing your data.
It’s not the cameras that are the problem, however, it’s the companies behind them that I take issue with. It’s one thing to be spied on by a camera, it’s another thing when data collected from that camera feed is then sold to anyone who is buying. That’s what I have a problem with. The cameras themselves aren’t the issue.
Well, morons bought it and the device is directly connected to a data harvesting company. I think that has more to do with it. One lone weirdo with a hidden camera and a home server isn’t the same kind of boogeyman
conference organizers said they have imposed a ban on “Meta-style glasses with recording capabilities.”
Dammit. I was hoping they explicitly called them “pervert glasses” like the headline suggested.
Let’s be real if we remove pedophilia from device almost everything requires a recording If you riding a bike or car need evidence If you got a false case or you said anything else while other person said other thing Or if some women accuse you of rape etc…
For all of these meta glasses is what we need without meta getting the video
Even without meta, or any other shitcorp, receiving that data, I’d hate to live in a world where every single interaction with any person, or even me just walking by would be on camera.
We also need punctuation.
I used new line for other sentences but seems piefed put everything in 1 line
Try putting two spaces are the end of the line, or leave a blank line between each line.
two spaces at the end
of the line test.blank line
test.
I prefer the term ‘pedofocals’
Glasdhole still tracks, regardless of brand.
All hidden cameras should be illegal, I don’t care about your “hands free convenience”
This is like anti pervert laws 101
Yep. If you want to record everything going on from your POV, strap a GoPro to your head and see if people’s moods change about it. If they clearly don’t want that, they don’t want the “convenient” hidden cameras either. Simple as that.
They don’t want people knowing they are being recorded.
A gopro or a phone held up is basically an indicator of recording happening, which people can choose to avoid if they want to.
But pervert glasses don’t hold up that signal, and the pathetic attempt to make a signal (the LED) is easily covered or otherwise bypassed so you can creep on people without them ever knowing.
- Go to Def Con
- Wear internet connected camera in bathroom and while typing all passwords
- ???
- Profit
- Have said glasses hacked and the video stream played on large screens around the venue for the duration of the convention
Like, I guess I don’t understand why these damn things have a camera in the first place. At most they should be roughly equivalent to a smart watch - a display and some controls. Maybe bone-conducting headphones or something for audio. It’d be neat to have navigation prompts in glasses, for instance. Buy why a fucking camera?!
Were it not for the fact that it’s the fucking privacy-invading big tech companies doing it, I would admit that there are good use-cases for the camera:
- Reminding you of the name and possibly previous interactions with the person you’re talking to, for instance (if it only did local lookup based on consensual photos you had previously added to your address book). I’m not face-blind or anything, but my memory is bad enough that that would be helpful to me.
- Scanning, OCR-ing and making searchable any papers you’re looking at (hooking to your selfhosted Paperless-NGX).
- Displaying augmented-reality translations of street signs (which is one of the few reasonable things Google Glass actually did).
I’ve heard they can be also quite useful for blind/vision-impaired users to describe surroundings and read signs, etc.
Yep. That’s the sort of thing that interested me as a visually impaired guy (I see about 20 percent with my contacts). It’s a shame I can’t really buy and use them for that since I’d likely get physically assaulted for using them for benign purposes.
Check your local laws, but you can probably buy and carry a white cane so long as you aren’t trying to scam the legal benefits of it.
Everyone can, there’s no legal issues with it. Same as wheelchairs. You can buy and use one if you like. Of course, people will be weirded out if you do it, but there’s absolutely nothing illegal about it.
That said, I’ve never needed a cane even though I’ve been trained to use a ‘recognition cane’ to cross the street (I went to a school for the visually impaired, where they teach everyone how to do that).
Didn’t want to state a blanket “can” - these types of laws vary in a lot of places.
When Google glass first premiered, I would, every once in a while, see someone wearing them in public and almost as often see them get punched in the face by some random passerby.
This is one of the very many reasons why I wish I was still living in New York City. I wanna see people wearing these pervert glasses get punched in the face once again.
Arrogant, entitled assholes are not going to learn that their arrogance and entitlement is unwelcome until they get their faces bashed in about it. Repeatedly. That’s why Google glass failed: Google realized that nobody wanted to see anyone wearing their shitty shitty pervert devices spying on everyone constantly. It wasn’t that they didn’t work. It’s that wearing their devices made their users a magnet for physical violence. Meta believes that they are immune to this consequence, and the public at large needs to remind them that THEY ARE NOT.
EDIT: I am not advocating violence, I am just serving a public reminder that acting like a disgusting pervert in public has consequences, and very well deserved consequences at that.
r/thathappened
There were actually a bunch of news articles about this happening a lot at the time. Google it.
You live in a world. Stuff happens.
People don’t believe you because they are not the main character like you are, how could they ever understand?
What is this comment? He didn’t even say he did it. Just saw articles about it. Grow up.
Ok?
Honestly, they should not ban them, and then just low-key encourage enterprising attendees to pwn the devices and any attached accounts. That would be delightful.
It’s not 2006 anymore
What’s the matter? Jeremy’s macros too fast for ya?
Just saying there’s not a guarantee all versions will be crackable, the cost of having to deal with a bunch of those at the convention in perpetuity doesn’t seem worth the reward of dunking on a minority of them.
That makes sense. I thought you were commenting on the usage of the word ‘pwn’
I took it to mean that DEFCON is a different place in modern times, which is consistent with what I hear.
This is the way tbh
Defcon is not the place I’d want to wear something like that and make myself a target. Of course, I’d be embarrassed to wear them anywhere, but afraid at Defcon.
I was afraid walking into the room with the wall of sheeple just bc I was wearing a button down in spite of being the sole sponsor of the hackathon. I (as instructed) left my watch, phone, laptop etc at hotel and only brought locked down Chromebook and lived in sweaty terror every keystroke. All while they were stoked and loving the sponsor not just buying a logo, and sent me back with like 500 bucks in swag easily to share back home at the office. Still… Terror.
Fortunately most of the attendees are genuinely good folks, so generally what really happens is just that some data gets scraped and everybody has a bit of a laugh at one of the talks.
I know worse happens, I just think it’s worth mentioning it is actually a group of mostly awesome people.
I know worse happens
Such as? I don’t think I’ll ever attend this kind of event due to geographic and financial constraint.
And I can imagine just bringin my EOL android 12 and using it as is even only cellular is a pretty reckless, but if I just bring clean phone for emergency purpose it should be fine right?
I’m not saying that wrt phones only. But credit cards get skimmed and various other atm pranks. Loads of infrastructure takedowns. Zero days released into the wild with viruses attached. All sorts of shenanigans.
Shit, I’d be scared to go anywhere near defcon with any device.
I’d go in with an abacus and a notepad.
Suddenly your abacus explodes after 65,535 beads suddenly appear.
“Hey, where’d all my beads go?!”
Eh, it’s not that bad
Random files appearing in the downloads folder on my phone has only happened once
¯\(ツ)/¯Let me guess, it was an iPhone? Someone just used AirDrop and you might’ve allowed everyone sending you files.
It was Android :-) WiFi, NFC and BT turned off. It was Android 12 I believe, back in 2022.
That’s actually a bit frightening and the feeling of being violated would linger for a while.
My goodness, your username!?!
I think you might already know…
