Considering the amount of Apple devices in the wild, I guess what I talk physically to people will be mostly recorded then, not to mention that Google assistant or smth like that maybe doing the same, what a Brave New World.
You’ve been able to just record audio with a watch forever now I don’t see how this is significantly worse than that.
Because just recording audio is illegal in two-party consent states. This may or may not be illegal, depending on how judges interpret “recording” vs AI transcriptions of ephemeral recordings.
Additionally, even in one-party consent states, doing that is creepy and weird. This makes it even easier for weirdos to be creepy and weird. It also sends the audio to a cloud platform to perform the AI transcription. That is new.
I’d err on the side of it being illegal in two consent states as well but I agree that hasn’t been litigated yet and there’s lots of bought and paid for judges.
It doesn’t actually send the audio to apple though, according to them it’s sent to the phone, transcribed and “condensed” there with that condensed transcription and some context being what is sent to their servers for summarizing.
I have an older smart watch and it’s starting to get a little tired, I’ll be replacing it with an actual watch that only tells the time and date, so sick of all smart things
Just did this myself. I had a collection of regular watches that I went back to and I’m loving it.
I also just bought a DAP for music and already have an XTEink X4 ereader. Slowly moving to get rid of a mart phone all together.
How does this not violate 2-party consent?
Corporations are allowed to do whatever they want, whenever they want. There might be a few tiny consequences 10-20 years later that shaves a couple months of profit down, but that is just the cost of business and massive profits for the rest of the time.
Hope this helps!
Just like all these AI companies tracking people, totally illegal and gross violation of privacy but the government could give a rip.
You break a law? Go straight to jail!
Corporation breaks a law? Ohhh well!
There is probably some technicality in that since it doesn’t record audio, but rather just keeps a transcription - that it might not fall afoul of two-party consent?
Even if it is only temporarily stored to RAM for processing, I struggle to see how that doesn’t still count as “recording”.
It probably wouldn’t meet the strict legal definition, as no copy (physical or digital) is left behind for any period of time - as RAM is volatile and its contents disappear on power cycle.
The Hey Siri does the same thing it’s just all on-device.
Or it probably would, they just have no plan to stop it unless they get sued and a judge forces them
Not every country or country subdivision has two party consent. Canada is a one party consent legislation.
I understand that. What about the places that do?
Won’t exist there
The question was not “what countries do not have two party consent?” The question was “how does this not violate two party consent?”
It violates it
Remember when they used to say if you didn’t pay for the product it was because you were the product? Now-a-days you get to pay to be the product.
I won’t say it’s not* a privacy nightmare but doesn’t Apple devices process this whole thing on-device? I don’t find it fair to compare this with Meta anything (and only that).
Yes and no company has ever broken its promise or gotten hacked. Nothing stays safe forever. As soon as some AI company makes a future deal for that data your privacy does not matter. Apples been caught before violating privacy laws.
You can’t trust any corporation to keep your data safe and local. They lie about not sending it elsewhere, and even when they don’t, all it takes is one security breech, which every company has all the damn time.
Plus is doesn’t store the audio nor an infinite log. It just continuously stores the last 15 seconds to my understanding. Meaning, what was said and transcribed 30 seconds ago is no longer accessible.
I don’t give a fuck. Your stupid dweeb watch is just another antisocial surveillance device.
What the fuck is that response? I don’t own an Apple Watch or anything. I’m just trying to put forth actual facts for the discussion.
It’s pretty much the expected response when talking about Apple on here. No one cares for actual discussion and nuance.
Man, my work is going to ban apple watches so fast based on this.
How many times has Strava leaked secret military base coordinates?
But add an always-listening AI assistant into the mix who’s taking notes on your day-to-day, including your conversations with others who may not know they’re being surveilled, and suddenly Apple’s latest handy feature starts to look a lot creepier. Apple’s other big new Audio Intelligence feature for watches is Live Rewind, which can produce a transcript of the last 15 seconds of audio on your watch face — whether a wake word was said, or not.
