• warm@kbin.earth
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    8 days ago

    Ethical from the start you mean? Trained on data with the blessing of the owner?

    • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      8 days ago

      First of all, yes, and also not all ai has to be generative or llms. Theres also a lot of other ai that was done before openai fucked everything up.

      • warm@kbin.earth
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        8 days ago

        When we say AI, we generally mean the LLMs. It’s become a marketing term for them.

        Obviously, we used neural networks and such ethically for a long time.

        The problem isnt those, it’s the mass harvesting of data, the endless copyright breaches, the stealing of peoples work. All to resell it. While ruining the planet environmentally, economically and it has fucked with the way people think.

        • AItoothbrush@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          8 days ago

          I mean yeah thats true but ethical llms are still completely possible but nobodys investing into it

    • hirihit640@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      8 days ago

      So you think website scraping should be illegal? When LinkedIn was trying to prevent other people from scraping their website (and lost the court around it too), you were on LinkedIn’s side?,

        • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          8 days ago

          Lemmy: “If we tiny speck of people make a moral stand and don’t use LLMs, they’ll give up their stolen content and go away!”

          The theft is done, over, you’re not going to get those horses back in the barn no matter how high your horse is. Do you imagine that on some glorious day the entire planet will legislate wiping all training data and say, “Sorry. Let’s not do that.” Sure. Soon as we get textbook communism working for 8,000,0000,000 people.

          Bullshit like this is why I left lemmy last year. It feels like a bunch of children arguing over their personal version of a perfect world. Bluesky was kinda nice, people with some age and experience and an understanding of real politik. Kinda vanilla as well, but cutesy little quips like yours weren’t met with much acclaim.

          Go reinvent the world kid, with no understanding of history or human nature. While you’re at it, maybe every museum on the planet can send every artifact back to the original peoples. Uh, gotta put a timeline on “original”, but it’s the right thing to do! Good luck.