• Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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      20 hours ago

      Both statements can be true at the same time. But the scale of one is many times larger.

      China’s MO from rare earths and magnets to cars to silicon follows the same plan. Take IP, Subsidize the industry, Research, once you have a monopoly use it to squeeze adversaries.

      I will say at least China is willing to kill off underperforming companies.

      The US needs to let a lot of legacy companies that aren’t performing die off. It also needs to break up oligopolies in many industries. Why compete when you can buy up the future competitors and set prices with a handful of competitors. The financialization of our economy is choking us.

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        21 hours ago

        Wrong. US manufacturers have effectively been shut out of China. But not before they made investments that China basically stole.

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          3 hours ago

          effectively been shut out of China.

          Because Chinese won’t buy massive thirsty trucks. Wtf…Tesla was in China before they even started making EVs.

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            4 hours ago

            Depends on what you mean by American. Most assume you are referring to Ford or GM. But Tesla and Rivian are US made. Many are built in the States by non US companies. BMW, Volvo, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia.

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            11 hours ago

            I worked in the government for a bit, national park service if it matters, we were only allowed to use US made vehicles.

            Constant recalls, constant breakdowns, overall unreliable. These were all vehicles that were less than 5 years okd

            I have a 2007 toyota today that refuses to die and has barely needed any work. I’ll probably have it at least another 3 to 5 years at this rate.

            American cars are shit

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              Worked at an oil refinery in the US. All the company cars were Ford. They all had various issues such as lights not working, the reverse beeper not working, constant engine light. We would get a loaner ford to replace our fleet ford and the loaner would fucking die. It would be comical if it wasn’t my safety being jeopardized.

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                3 hours ago

                Where car is made is irrelevant. How it is designed and engineered matters. Toyotas made in North America outlast anything designed in Detroit.

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                4 hours ago

                Except for the design and almost all the parts. Probably was assembled here

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                  4 hours ago

                  Many GM and Ford parts are made outside of the US. Possibly only the design and headquarters really separates them. It’s a global supply chain for all companies.

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              11 hours ago

              American capitalism has rendered companies incapable of producing anything that’s not crap at a scale because they need to maximise profit at all costs, while quality doesn’t mean shit. Every company is Boeing.