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Yeah you can spot these types pretty easily in this thread.
any time you see someone respond to the truth: “there is a two party system in every election and one of them will win whether you like it or not”
With: “both sides do genocide”
It’s obvious they might not actually tie their own shoelaces.
Yeah you can spot these types pretty easily in this thread.
What are the tells?
any time you see someone respond to the truth: “there is a two party system in every election and one of them will win whether you like it or not”
With: “both sides do genocide”
So you deny that the Democrats are contributing towards the genocide? Or that you’re just being honest and that you don’t care?
It’s obvious they might not actually tie their own shoelaces.
It’s obvious you lot have no object permanence.
I like how you asked “what are the tells?” mere characters before quoting the tell I provided. Talk about object permanence.
The point is that it’s a non-sequiter. “Buh both sides.” Isn’t a sane response to “one of them is going to win anyway.” And the reasoning for that is so blindingly obvious that it’s a wonder they can tie their own shoes as I said.
It’s exactly the waffles and pancakes meme.
The point is that it’s a non-sequiter. “Buh both sides.” Isn’t a sane response to “one of them is going to win anyway.”
So what is your thought on the genocide? Seems like you can justify voting for it since “one of them is going to win anyway”?
There is only 20 minutes of one of your days every two years when this is relevant. You have three options: vote for the worst option, vote for the second worst option (that would demonstrably spare at least some lives) or don’t vote. Notice how the “don’t vote” option doesn’t give you an outcome different from one of the other two options. In fact it indicates that you are okay if those lives aren’t spared. And in all three cases a genocide happens.
Now, you have 364 days 23 hours and 40 minutes (x2 I guess) to make a real difference. It’s just so bizarre that this is a focus.
I can’t tie my shoes (therefore I have geox)
Explain how that’s diminishing the validity of my comments. Take the mask off. Show everyone your true form.
Yes, and just like the second coming a revolution has never happened. /s
What is a successful example?
Other people have talked about socialist revolutions, which are indeed great examples. But we can’t forget the global bourgeois revolutions that lead to capitalism throughout the world. Without those we would still be stuck in feudalism. While capitalism has many flaws it’s much better than feudalism in many ways.
China, Russia, Vietnam, Cuba
If they are your definitions of success, I think most people are going to pass.
By almost every metric they were massively successful seeing some of the largest leaps in life expectancy in history side by side with the largest strides in poverty alleviation, infant mortality and more.
If you exclude just China alone from global poverty statistics global poverty by headcount is worse today than in 1981.
Not that you really care you just want to pontificate from your soapbox about “the silly Marxists” who dare to actually wish for and push for better.
Americans care about freedom. You should probably learn this…
If you can’t guarantee the same level of freedom to someone, they won’t care if you’ll meet their needs or not.
Americans have the largest slave-population today. What freedom are you talking about, you idiot?
Americans care about freedom. You should probably learn this
So we’ve moved from most people to Americans. Interesting. Also given America has the largest prison population in the world in raw numbers not even per capita I’m not sure that’s particularly true, especially when American prisons are by design essentially slavery.
Americans care about freedom
Yes the freedom to be free to be terrible and racist to others, or be free to appear to get the chance to be extraordinarily wealthy not anything related to actual freedom
Neat graph. It also leaves out quite a few horrors but those are less photogenic
Moving the goalposts. If you want to start a new discussion how about you finish the previous one first?
Your argument is that the revolutions were unsuccessful. In what way is the PRC worse than the republic of china?
“Uhh sure peoples lives got twice as long and they went from feudalism to space in one lifetime and are now the dominant world power but OH THE NONSPECIFIC COMMUNIST HORRORS, OHHH HOW TERRIBLY COMMUNISM HAS FAILED.”
TheFinn
Proud Axis power doomily vagueposting about socialism. Fork found in kitchen.
and by most people you mean most liberals whose brains haven’t yet developed capacity for critical thinking
I love your snark o7
Spell it out for me, brainiac.
Plenty of people already did in this very thread dumbo.
don’t forget DPRK and Laos
Certainly the DPRK, I am not very well read on Laos however.
Laos doesn’t get much attention because they haven’t had much chance to develop after the US razed the whole country to the ground and left a bunch of mines and unexploded ordinance that are still being removed to this day. But they do have a communist party in charge, and China has been actively helping them recently.
But the US/west continuously try to destroy their economies, kill their leaders, foment social unrest, commit sabotage.
Clearly the concept is a failure. ;)
^ this kind of idiocy is precisely why people need to read theory https://redsails.org/witbd-rs-abridged/
Hot take of the day: Democrats are actually just evangelicals with the serial numbers filed off. The world is a MAGA hellscape, but we just have to wait until the blue team is in power again when everything will magically be fixed. Any attempt to do anything other than voting makes you MAGA. Anything less than BLUE TEAM PRESIDENT is completely useless. Also voting for any third party or doing anything other than voting is accelerationism.
Is it just me or I see it calling out the DNC cult who think they’re leftists.
Aren’t you the ones always waiting for the next election that will magically “fix” everything and return to status quo of being unaffected by your foreign policies while it ravages people abroad?
There are actual good people going out protesting, recording, blockading, deterring ICE. There’s people destroying surveillance tech, stopping data centers being built, shaming big oil/military industry execs at their own meetups. There’s ethical people openly calling out rapists, zionists, homophopic, racists, corrupt politicians, pigs and judges.
^This is actual progress. They’re most likely going to vote while also making the ruling class afraid.
Then there are people whose only thought process goes:
- “one more election, bro”
- “just one more election, bro”
- “it’ll fix everything, bro”
- “just vote blue, bro”
- “it’ll work this time, bro”
- “come on, bro, this is all or nothing, bro”
- “I don’t care about war crimes, just let me have my cheap gas, bro”
- “Come on, bro. If you don’t vote blue, the other side is much worse bro”
- “they have no serious platform except populist propaganda, but they’ll only kill children in middle east and that’s fine by me, bro”
- “please, bro. just one more election, bro”
Weak
My post history should be available. Check if that has ever been my advice.
So it’s not you here doing that? https://lemmy.ml/comment/27508205
It’s the responsibility of everyone in a democracy to participate so that parties are more representative of their constituents. Only a tiny piece of that participation involves voting.
Maybe you need your hand held so I’ll explain this to you: We have to work constantly to make the party conform to its constituents. This implies that voting one day every couple of years won’t cut it. Constant pressure. Participation. No whining allowed.
Ty for admitting the person above is correct
Liberals be like: if you think people outside of the USA and Europe are human, you are an evangelical Christian.
Doesn’t make sense
It’s that time of the two year election cycle again. I think I almost have my “Right Wing Propaganda” checklist filled in this year… let’s see:
[X] Migrant Caravans [X] Jill Stein [X] Crime Stories with white people as victims [X] Muslims/Sharia Law is coming to your city! [X] Baseless election fraud accusations [X] Communism/Socialism [X] Whatabout isms [X] Stories of Trans people using bathrooms or playing in woman’s sports (sometimes just existing). [X] Stories about how both parties are the same. [ ] October Surprise!
Thank you OP for being a shill, I only need one more item to fill in my bingo card this year!
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a subhuman machine” and other insane conspiracies for the right wing mind
I think I almost have my “Right Wing Propaganda” checklist filled in this year
Well, since checking your modlog and seeing how you acted in this thread alone.
the liberal checklist
[X] genocide apologist, [X] Zionist, [X] smug, [X] racist and dehumanizing retorts to any replies that contradicts their fascist views, [X] object permanence, [X] can’t comprehend more than 1 person existing at a given time???, [X] BLUEMAGA
Ohh wow your handler must be pissed, two comments back to back?
Just see my prior reply.
ok CIA agent, I think your handler is annoyed at you making such bad posts back to back.
It’s that time of the two year election cycle again.
Yeah, time for you to wake up from your hibernation and VOTE before hibernating again for 2 years.
[X] Communism/Socialism
lol they’ve been saying this all year and you only notice this now because you just woke up
[X] Stories about how both parties are the same.
As usual, you can hibernate peacefully when it’s the blue party doing genocide. Very nice of you for being a “shill” for genocide.
Ohhh Shit, thank you I almost forgot:
[ X ] Right Wing Shills masquerading as Leftists.
[ X ] Right Wing Shills masquerading as Leftists.
What’s a leftist, according to you? You’re really not beating the BlueMAGA stereotype.
Yep, it’s a Giga-brain move to push away any and all support for left wing candidates opposing Republicans because they don’t agree with your entire personal platform.
That or your just a Right Wing shill getting their jollies masquerading as a leftist.
“left wing candidates” and you’re talking about the genocidal fascists in the democratic party… Alright buddy
because they don’t agree with your entire personal platform.
what is my personal platform? What have you interpreted?
Also you didn’t even answer my question. What is a leftist, according to you?
Can you please define leftwing? When you say leftwing do you mean Obama?
Sorry, but I’m not paid to post as professionally as you do.
I’m genuinely asking what you define as leftist. I am not Amerikan. I don’t know what you would as it doesn’t seem to align with the global norm for what others would call leftist.
But I suppose everyone who doesn’t prostrate at your feet and revere your moral and intellectual superiority is a bot or a shill or otherwise less than.
“Everyone who disagrees with me is a malicious foreigner” and other insane conspiracies for the right wing mind.
Of course people agreeing with you would never be bots.
I’m pretty sure libs would still blame the communists if the Donkey and the Elephant parties united and halted the scams called elections indefinitely.
Both the libs and the chuds live under circumstances that most people the USA constantly oppresses can only dream about, btw.
Exactly. No matter the consequences, I hope no one ever votes democrat ever again!
Always amazing how these memes always pop up just before an election.
As if someone is trying to reduce voter turnout, which generally leads to republicans winning.
Amazing.
Yes I wonder why people talk more about electoral politics around election season? Truly a conundrum we will never solve.
Of course in reality people talk about politics all the time and people shit on the democrats all the time. This is a you-problem.
Gonna refer to my old comment for the rest of you insane right wing conspiracy about everyone disagreeing with you being some malicious agent.
Political beliefs cannot be cleanly or even roughly divided by giving people labels. And certainly not by placing all people on one side of a dichotomy.
One side of a dichotomy
If the dichotomy is “do you find supporting genocide acceptable”, I find that separating the people who do from the people who don’t actually begins to solve a great deal of problems.
even roughly divided by giving people labels.
You people consistently misappropriate language in order to say something that makes no sense. Now “correctly describing the political ideology and actions of a political party” is some arbitrary division with random pointless labes.
by placing all people on one side of a dichotomy.
Good thing “all people” aren’t encompassed by “democrats and republicans”. But I got some news for you: When you are talking about “republicans or democrats” then you ARE talking about a dichotomy. Or not really, because they aren’t really opposed to each other or in any way dissimilar, but there’s two of them, which is what you were thinking of.
I’ll preface this by saying I’m not from the US, I don’t live in the US, but I’m a neighbor to the US and have to deal with their bullshit just like everyone else.
As a left-leaning person seeing the right growing in power with every election (and every country), acknowledging that Democrats don’t hold my or my community’s best interests, but also acknowledging that they are closer or more adjacent to my views than Republicans and that we realistically are stuck in a 2 party system that forces us to choose a lesser evil, why shouldn’t I vote for the democratic party?
During the last presidential elections, the great argument that voting for Kamala was voting for genocide and whatnot was made. Can those who argued this stand here today and claim that their decision, their arguments, their views, were the correct assessment of the situation? Are your consciences clear knowing the hell Trump has enabled on Gaza, Yemen, and Iran? Knowing how much he’s empowered the billionaire class, the Zionists, the warmongers, the hateful, the corrupt?
There’s no alternative party, no momentum for one, no alternative system and no desire for change from the ruling class, and you’re stuck choosing between the literal worst group of people of our modern world, and people who aren’t as bad but aren’t great. Will you really argue, after primaries - and the chance to steer parties internally - are over, that both sides are the same and undeserving of your vote? Or that somehow voting for Trump’s party is the better choice?
I’m asking not because I expect you specifically to take blame or anything like that, but because this was the rhetoric last time, straight up MLs arguing in favor of voting for Trump over Kamala in a very unexpected turn of events that I simply could not believe or accept as anything other than a psyop by non-MLs.
Now similar voices are speaking, reminding everyone that both parties are the same in the worst possible moments to point that out. Not during the primaries, when the parties can be stirred into a direction, not at the moment parties register or organize, to have a fighting chance with a new movement, and not at the legislative level fighting for a more fair voting system… No… It’s always at the last leg of the race, between the two big parties, in a rigged system, when not voting for the lesser evil exponentially empowers the vastly greater evil.
Now similar voices are speaking, reminding everyone that both parties are the same in the worst possible moments to point that out. Not during the primaries, when the parties can be stirred into a direction…
Thanks for making it so plain you have the memory of a goldfish and nothing interesting to say.
We were saying it during the primary. Leftists been saying it every day for longer than I’ve been old enough to vote, and I voted the first time in a year that started with “1”. The fact that you don’t know that means you’re deliberately not paying attention except during the general when your billionaire-owned media programmers have programmed you to notice it and be offended by it.
The rest of the time you ignore it just like you ignore the massive dichotomy between Democrats’ rhetoric and their voting records. Just like you ignore the massive similarities between policy passed by Democrats and that passed by Republicans. You’ve been so programmed to focus on the aesthetics and the narratives that you routinely vote for the people making your life worse. Doesn’t that bother you at all?
As a Honduran who’s watched you idiots elect trump two times, actively making the world a worse place for EVERYONE, I quickly lose interest when people try to argue that Obama and the Clintons and the rest of the dems are or were just as bad. They carried out undeniable evils in the world, but the depth of the corruption and evil that has been unleashed upon the entire world purely out of the foolishness, borderline evilness, of Americans getting Trump into power TWICE… It’s impossible to ignore.
Trump has helped shatter this better image that Democrats had before all this, and it would be ridiculous not to acknowledge their role and positions, and I’m fine with doing so… At ANY OTHER POINT IN TIME BEFORE THE IMPORTANT ELECTIONS. Im not arguing in defense of the Democrats, I’m arguing in defense of strategic timing, and will continue to do so until you guys leave the rest of us no choice but to view you all as part of the enemy. Fix your shit as a country or you might force someone out there to do it for you the hard way.
They carried out undeniable evils in the world, but the depth of the corruption and evil that has been unleashed upon the entire world purely out of the foolishness, borderline evilness, of Americans getting Trump into power TWICE… It’s impossible to ignore.
And what, in your mind, Is the unique and horrible evil that Trump has perpetrated that Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t?
I’m not about to start listing the last decade of our lives to you just because you have some hill to die on.
Listen i don’t give a fuck if you need to kiss newsom’s cum-covered face to do it, just get trump and his one percenters the fuck out of office before other countries start feeling the need to do it themselves. Fix your fuckups.
So that’s a solid “no” on being able to provide examples of Trump’s evil that are unique and not also done by Democrats?
Your entire political outlook is based on vibes you got from billionaire owned media?
That’s about what I expected.
Im not arguing in defense of the Democrats
Liar liar pants on fire
There’s no alternative party,
There’s several alternative parties actually
no momentum for one
“If its not served up to me on a silver platter, then it is useless!”
I wonder why it is that way.MLs arguing in favor of voting for Trump over Kamala
Prove it. Point me to one person who is an actual principled marxist-leninist who is arguing that people should vote for Trump.
Now similar voices are speaking, reminding everyone that both parties are the same in the worst possible moments to point that out.
- That you dont notice at any other point in time says more about you than anyone else.
- The democrats themselves have no such qualms, gleefully attacking leftists at any possible point in time.
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-skewered-republicans-funding-these-maga-losers-1758128
https://www.ms.now/news/angie-nixon-florida-senate-schumer
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/09/aipac-republican-donors-democratic-primaries-00162404
- Copying here;
- People are vocal about not voting for democrats all the time, you just do not notice when you brain hasn’t been primed for the bi-yearly vooooote
- It’s election season, so it is not at all surprising that more people are talking about politics
- Do you really think that any government would waste resources creating a tiny bot farm for some niche webforum run by communists? Get your head out of your ass.
- Do you hold the same reservations when you see someone trying to get you to vote democrat? It’s not like they don’t also use bot farms
The report found that pro-Democratic activists using the hashtag #BlueCrew played a key role in spreading the discredited idea that the shooting of Trump in Butler was fake or staged.
NCRI identified 951 accounts that engaged in “coordinated inauthentic activity” associated with a pro-Harris campaign called #BlueCrew. Those accounts posted nearly 2 million times from July 10 to Oct. 10, “exhibiting behavior indicative of organized efforts to amplify specific narratives,” the report says, most notably the narrative that Trump was not shot.
Democratic PR firm runs bot farm for Israel
Of course anybody who agrees with you is obviously a human. Nobody could disagree with you, they would have to be subhuman to do so.
On top of that the war with Iran would have happened under Kamala as well
And finally none of what you are saying is in any way insightful. It is so tired and clichéed that I usually just link to the last time I wasted my time talking through those trite “arguments”
There’s several alternative parties actually
Show me the last time they mattered for mofe than weakening the votes for one party or another. You guys could have a serious group of other parties, but you’re too dumb to realize th e system is rigged to have the two big ones, abd you’d have to change that system to change that status quo. The only time a party other than the big two will win, is when the billionaire class decides another party will join the fray, not when you guys, the people, decide it. You Americans seemingly just fail to realize this.
“If its not served up to me on a silver platter, then it is useless!” I wonder why it is that way.
As I just said, show me the proof you’re able to do this at this late stage in the process, because last time you all sounded like this, you got trump elected a second time like the dumb fucks you are.
Prove it. Point me to one person who is an actual principled marxist-leninist who is arguing that people should vote for Trump.
I’m not gonna go digging around Lemmy for post from nearly 2 years ago, especially since my original comment has already been deleted by a moderator. If you were here, you saw it or you pretended you didn’t. People here straight up argued that in a kamala vs trump decision, kamala was the wrong choice, and this was not a fringe opinion here.
1.That you dont notice at any other point in time says more about you than anyone else.2.The democrats themselves have no such qualms, gleefully attacking leftists at any possible point in time.
See, I don’t care that the dems have been meany to you, I don’t care that y’all say this at other points in time. I just care when y’all start sounding like this at the wrong moments in time, such as the time you guys elected trump a second time and all the rest of us around the world could do is watch in horror as we got plunged into another dark age… Which is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.
Tough shit that you don’t like dems, right now, there’s no other choice, unless you’re telling me you’re finally going to put up arms and resist the system rather than bend over and take in in the ass again.
Do you really think that any government would waste resources creating a tiny bot farm for some niche webforum run by communists? Get your head out of your ass.
Umm hello? AI exists? It costs almost nothing to tell it to go to niche corners and push narratives? Any and all fears that were too far fetched to happen before, are a commoditized reality now. Get YOUR head out of your ass.
On top of that the war with Iran would have happened under Kamala as well
It could have happened under every president before trump as well, trump simply was the one who caved, as EVERYONE who lived through the first term would expect him to. ANY “kamala would’ve been worse” arguments are just removed to me. There’s no "would’ve"s, we got trump out of this bullshit and we’re all eating shit because of it, and I’m sure we would not be eating this level of shit with anyone else.
Listen I don’t know how else to get the point across, nobody remembers anyone going up against Hitler. They just remember Hitler and the people who put and kept him up there. The history books might mention Kamala, but her name is not going to be in everyone’s mouths when studying world history a few years from now. I am an outsider, unable to do anything other than just watch, and it is unbelievably infuriating to see you all harboring any sort of argument that improves Trump’s odds of getting away with all the shit he’s doing. Make no mistake, that’s EXACTLY what y’all are doing here. Silence me all you want, mods, but that’s just the truth. We all have growing amounts of hate for your country, and this bullshit doesn’t help.
Lmao this is the most asinine irrational bullshit I’ve read so far. You demand proof for third party votes mattering, yet blame third party voters for the democrats losing (even though there was no state where they made up enough to make a difference), you want proof of a third party winning the presidential election (the republican party would be one such example) despite that not being what I argued - Instead I argued your defeatism is the reason no such party can come to prominence, which you conveniently failed to ignore - you reduce the fact that Democrats dont adhere to “now is not the time” to “they were mean” instead of engaging with it as the refutation of your line of argument that it is, you manage to completely ignore the reasoning behind Trump being on par with Democrats and you finally make an ahistoric allusion to a fantasy version of how Hitler came to power. If I had a bingo-board for Liberal half-wits then you would have given me the prize already.
I am very happy it took you this long to activate enough of your long-dormant neurons to be able to hit the right buttons on the keyboard, because now there is no longer an audience so there is no need to adress you in order to speak to other readers, and since you’ve shown yourself to completely irrational there is also nothing to be gained from discussion personally.So this is likely to be my last response to you in this thread unless you manage to make a surprising 180 and turn into a normal person capable of reason.
You’re totally right, I cannot believe I didn’t see this before. We need to keepthe fascists in power because reasons, and hope the revolution starts randomly at some point without further intervention. Any other decision is genocide, even though genocide only accelerated right now but its the right genocide because it’s trump and not kamala. Next time we need to pick trump over mamdani because mamdani is not a true
Scotsmancommunist. Is that how it goes?
the system is rigged
you got trump elected a second time
such as the time you guys elected trump a second time
You contradict yourself. The system is rigged, but the outcome is our fault?
Tough shit that you don’t like dems, right now, there’s no other choice
But also:
the system is rigged
So that means they read your ballot card, and murder you if you didn’t vote dems?
Listen I don’t know how else to get the point across, nobody remembers anyone going up against Hitler. They just remember Hitler and the people who put and kept him up there.
Hindenburg went up against hitler in the election. Hindenburg got elected, hitler did not. Then hindenburg appointed hitler chancellor. So if you want to compare harris to hindenburg, uhh…
Trump’s odds of getting away with all the shit he’s doing
You want trump gone because he blarts out the genocidal empire’s crimes instead of covering them up.
I want usa gone because it exports annoying ads.
We are enemies.
When I say the system is rigged, I mean you’re going to be stuck voting between two parties because you don’t have ranked choice voting , and you’re going to be stuck with unfavorable choices very often if not enough of you vote due to the electoral college. Tough shit, you still have to go out there and take part in the system unless y’all decide to dismantle it. Otherwise these stupid ass games y’all are playing end up choosing the worst possible choice and taking us all into the worst possibl e outcomes and I’m frankly sick of this shit already. I genuinely got pissed off at this community when trump won the second time because I remember your removed asses arguing that kamala was the wrong choice of the two, and there’s only two choices every time.
Its not that he’s so blatant about the actions of the empire, it’s that his rhetoric has changed everyone’s lives for the worse, I’ve lost friends and family to his bullshit, I’ve endured his decisions financially without even having a say about it, you fuckers DO have a say about it and wish to waste it away for short term morality points without looking at the bigger picture somehow. People really out here trying to argue trump is not that bad? Trying to question what’s so bad about him? Are you guys fucking for real here?
I’m telling this to everyone here: Listen i don’t give a fuck if you need to kiss newsom’s cum-covered face to do it, just get trump and his one percenters the fuck out of office before other countries start feeling the need to do it themselves. Fix your fuckups.
It is a two party system. We don’t have any other options. When a socialist wants to run they run Democrat. Fascists run as Republican.
Plenty of fascists run as Democrats; like the entire Democratic party leadership.
Its only fascism when republicans do genocide, hunt migrants for sport, expand the police state, bomb foreigners and assault protesters. When Democrats do that stuff its simply ✨nuance✨
Fascists run as Republican.
I got bad news for you if you think they exclusively run as republicans.
Lol, you deserve to be ruled by fascists.
There were six different candidates on my 2024 Presidential ballot. I voted for Gloria La Riva.
The only reason “only” a candidate from the Republicrat Wall St Fellator party can win is because dumb fucks believe only one of them can win. That’s it. There is no other reason. Stop being a dumb fuck, stop voting to support genocide, and stop treating people who support a genocide as if they’re normal and doing nothing wrong while treating people who won’t cosign on a genocide as if they’re the reason your preferred Neoliberal ghoul lost the last popularity contest.
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