They deserve it for wanting to serve there. None of them are good people. They know what they sigbed up for (not talking about the food)
They don’t deserve even mud for food. But, there’s a solution: see that fatty right besides you, soldier?
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what do soldiers fighting a cruel and meaningless war expect luxury meals?
Right? NOBODY FORCED THESE FUCKS TO DIE FOR PEDOPHILES
Poor souls, the Army was the only way they had to improve their life
They fell for a trap that their tyrannical government created. They chose to kill brown people overseas vs organizing against their tyrannical government at home
Ever had a meal with a group of US military guys? They’re done in like 3 minutes. It’s wild
I keep better company
I mean, when you literally sign up to be cannon fodder, I don’t know what you expect. America has always treated troops and veterans like livestock. You could simply choose a career other than oppressing the third world for oil profits.
Legitimately, I’d like to say I was just making some principled stand, but when I was 18, “the food is famously terrible” was a bigger part of me not joining the military than I’d like to admit 😂
Oh, no, the volunteer soldiers who are willingly taking orders from pedophiles and Nazis aren’t feeling COMFY and eating gourmet food???
Fuck’em. This is better than they deserve.
Pretty sure that when they enlisted, they had something else in mind.
And it’s not always about the glory of the nation or other crap.They willingly signed up for engaging in colonial subjugation of the rest of the world, including by kidnapping, torturing, and killing non-white foreigners.
What do you think they had in mind?
Free tuition, healthcare, a paid job. When you’re trying to get yourself out of misery, you don’t always have many options.
If you can sign up for kidnapping, torturing and murdering people in the Global South for the Epstein empire, you can find a different job.
Also, did they suddenly forget what their military does? And also failed to think of the people on the receiving end of what this military does? How is this in any way an excuse?
Did they willingly enlist in the US military during the last 50 or so years?
Again, fuck them. It’s not as if they had anything noble “in mind”
Yeah fuck those stupid poors who had no financial safety net nor a good enough education to pursue traditional employment, who wanted the option to secure a good mortgage or steady healthcare
Nobody shade a tear for isis fighters who joined regardless of their social and economical situation why should i shed a tear for the american terrorists?
steady healthcare
It seems like the ones who really need the steady healthcare are either not eligible for the military or are the ones being attacked by it
Hey, I won’t stop you if you want to take the position that poverty turns the decision to carry water for an empire built on coercion, colonization, and violence into a virtuous one. Knock yourself out.
We all participate in unethical business, however far removed our choices may seem from it. I’m not part of the military, don’t endorse it, and am angry about how my taxes are spent on it. It’s our government and military leadership that causes these problems and should be derided though. A lot of these sailors probably joined the military fresh out of high school with nothing better out there for them and aren’t educated enough to realize they’re not doing anything good. They’re kids though, but ride your moral high ground. I’m sure you’ve never worked for a scummy corporation or consumed slave labor goods.
Cool. I guess all those ICE agents are also just fundamentally decent people, deprived of education and economic opportunity. They just don’t know any better. I guess because we all purchase goods from retail locations we’re just as bad.
People like you are the reason your country is where it is. Get yourself some real values.
Why are you pretending that they are poor, or that that is somehow a good excuse?
I just think willfully ignoring the fact that there’s systemic pressure that coerces the lower class into the military and then saying they deserve to be starved and sent off to their deaths in pointless war is a fucking wildly dickish perspective. Like you assume they chose to be in the military as one of many lucrative options and not as the only prospective chance to better themselves (however false the illusion is)
Poverty draft is a myth. The USian soldiers are almost all well-off.
All of them voluntarily sign up for the most vile activity one can do.Also, poverty and especially the often pointed-out desire to get higher education are not good excuses to inflict poverty, torture and death upon non-white foreigners.
Also, do you think that the countries they invade have a moral right to defend themselves and kill these monsters, or do you side with the invaders and claim that these people should live?
I may regret responding to you but here goes…Poverty draft IS a real thing and the recruiting tactics are absolutely vile. I joined the Navy after dropping out of local community college working as a busser at a local bar/restaurant living with my grandmother and mother in the same house. The recruiters for all branches of the military are definitely predatory they get quotas to meet and signing up people for high desired or high skill positions gave them extra points. I was told that if I signed up for a 6 year enlistment I would go to college at Charleston University for 2 years, be able to have a 4 year degree after my service as well as not be deployed(ended up doing 3 back to back sea duty tours). Most of the people I served with came from a mix of stories that if played out they would not have had much to offer their families. Many people I directly worked with got in with waivers for criminal offenses and admitted that they would probably have ended up in the system and literally had no other options. The coercion that is used on vulnerable people whos literally brain is still developing is not great.
Aw, ambiguous glistening meat slab again? We had that yesterday!
This is the exact same stuff they fed us when I was in Iraq 20 year ago. They gave the contract to the lowest bidder who bought the cheapest food possible then pocketed the “leftover” cash. This isn’t new. The difference between then and now is our families could send us care packages and we didn’t have cell phones to post about the mystery meat. I don’t want anyone to eat like this but I also don’t know why everyone is surprised by wartime food. Food SUCKS when you deploy, it’s why they give troops the big send off steak and lobster dinner. Best way to avoid giving our troops trash food is to NOT DEPLOY THEM.
All food should suck for the soldiers of your empire.
Back in the day they had ice cream ships… SHIPs… For ice cream…
How the mighty have fallen
They were nicknamed the “ice cream ships” because they had refrigerated holds and freezers, but in reality they moved all kinds of food and perishable supplies, a lot more than just ice cream.
The USN was no doubt very good at logistics in the 40’s, but they didn’t have so much excess capacity they could dedicate entire ships to ice cream.
One can never get too much Asterix.
Oh no the people who volunteered to be murderers aren’t getting good food :(
Every US male who turns 18 “volunteers” to be eligible to “volunteer” to die overseas for the Epstein class.
There hasn’t been a draft in ages. Every single murderer in the US military has chosen their role.
Has there been a draft yet, or what do you mean?
They may be referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System
“All male U.S. citizens and immigrant non-citizens who are between the ages of 18 and 25 are required by law to have registered within 30 days of their 18th birthdays [to The Selective Service] […] The Selective Service System is a contingency mechanism in the event conscription becomes necessary.”
Yeah, I get that. But there hasn’t been any draft yet, so everyone on that boat has voluntarily joined the military.
We’re using “volunteer” very strongly in a society where we need to work to live.
Put it this way: military recruitment is almost always inversely proportional to the economic wellbeing. I. E. When the economy sucks and people can’t find jobs, that’s when you often get the highest amount of recruits.
That’s not even going into systematic issues that can lead to that; my mom was in ROTC to pay off her college and my uncles went in when my grandpa kicked them out of the house, almost as soon as they graduated high school.
But yes, back on point: yes, at any point you can be told you are going to be drafted. Just becsuse it’s not this specific boat doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen.
Put it this way: military recruitment is almost always inversely proportional to the economic wellbeing.
At least In the US, that is very much not true. The poor are actually underrepresented in the USian military. It is the well-of quantiles in the middle that are overrepresented.
Also, no, you are not forced to join the USian military.
At least In the US, that is very much not true.
https://usafacts.org/articles/is-military-enlistment-down/
It decreases overall, but you can definitely trace spikes in applicants with economic slumps. COVID is probably the big exception, for obvious reasons.
The poor are actually underrepresented in the USian military.
That’s why I focused on applications to military. They don’t let everyone in, and it’s well that many of the lower income applicants get passed up because they can’t pass the tests.
Another family example: my cousin was passed up because he had tattoos. They have been more lenient on such policies this decade, though.
you are not forced to join the USian military.
If “respond to the draft or get arrested” is your interpretation of choice, then you are technically correct. But most societies would not call that freedom of choice.
Mildly infuriating? The coward butchers in the us military deserve every humiliation and degradation they can get.
While I get what you’re meaning, I am going to ask a question: do you treat criminals the same?
The way you see military, many of whom are from low income without many means of survival, as monsters because they join a government system that promises social services that harms so many. So a means to an end.
A criminal will steal or murder for similar reasons a person joins the military - except instead of social services, they’re taking what they need to survive. So do you think they deserve humiliation and degradation? Heck, prison food is similar.
Both are forced into making morally wrong choices that affect others outside of themselves but instead of anger at the system that creates these situations, you insult the people. It’s reactionary.
This from someone who knows multiple leftists who changed because of the military. So I see belittling them online as counterproductive to any type of coalition being made as it separates them from others who may hold similar if not the same beliefs.
do you treat criminals the same?
“Criminal” is a mich more wide group of people in the relevant sense. It includes people who are deemed such simply because of being of a “wrong race”, to people who do sabotage against the genocidal machine, to people who, indeed do some of the stuff that soldiers are very guilty of (strangely, you don’t seem to say that we should be ecstatic about people like Epstein and Maxwell).
A much better question would be “do you treat cops the same?”, but the military is still much worse.
The way you see military, many of whom are from low income without many means of survival,
Poverty draft is a myth. The USian military is mostly from well-off backgrounds.
Furthermore, if you can sign up for kidnapping and torture of foreigners for oil, you can find a different job.A criminal will steal or murder for similar reasons a person joins the military
So, you think that we shouldn’t speak ill of the likes of Epalstein and Maxwell, on the grounds that they were simply doing what the military does?
But yeah, if one intends to do kidnapping, torture, and murder for money, they can at least keep it to the Imperial Core instead of to foreigners.
So do you think they deserve humiliation and degradation?
These people that sign up to contribute to the most awful things that can be done deserve significantly worse.
Both are forced into making morally wrong choices
People who sign up for the USian military are not forced to do that.
but instead of anger at the system that creates these situations, you insult the people. It’s reactionary.
Do you think that insulting cops and ICE thugs is reactionary? Do consider that they do much less evil than the military.
So I see belittling them online as counterproductive to any type of coalition
If they are actually dependant, they understand why their former colleagues get such ire and would die with the victims and against said colleagues.
So I’m not going to argue because again, I said: I understand where the sediment comes from.
I want to address what concerns me about this type of agression. When someone does something for so long, it becomes part of their personality, their being. So insulting the military can come off as insulting the person rather than the role/entity. Especially for Americans, who do not have much outside of propaganda being fed from every angle and barely an education, many barely read anymore. If they can barely critically think, do you think they’re at fault or are they raised/trained to just believe it? This is the general population, not elite class who have better education purposely.
The middle class in American just a mean of the lower class and upper class, the stat you’re referencing is basing it around any household 50-100K - household, which means two parent income. So two parents making 50K would be low income in my opinion because each person is making 25K which is about 12 an hour. The lower percent was 85K and up I think showing that below 85K in an household leads to more enrollment in military. It’s just that the phrase “middle class” doesn’t exist like it used to as prices have rose and driven that class further down. This study even polled and it shows similar in 2025 so I’m supporting the data you read with the thought that people are surviving well on 80K and below. The main statistic that I want to point at is a majority joined for money and education.
Now to touch on that part about class, the elite class has no law to follow in the US. You’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. So why bring up Epstein? It’s linked but not relevant to what we’re speaking about. Yes, he’s a criminal and a pedophile and deserved to be punished to death but that doesn’t relate to poverty stricken individuals who I referenced resorting to a life of crime by societal standards. This type of conversation diversion is used by right-wingers like Jordan Peterson and the rest of the grifters to avoid talking about the actual point. Again, it’s reactionary - you’re using pedophilia crime from the elite to compare to poverty related crime which is galaxies away on a morality spectrum. Killing someone from being on the brink of death for a way to survive is different than owning an island and sex trafficking humans. The reason is to get a reaction in the moral play. You can read why it’s reactionary due to the chain of you acknowledging the relation of poverty to crime and military by stating the statistic of the military being middle class so why mention a upper class criminal again?
Again, I understand your sediment. I’d just rather work towards deprogramming others who may be leaving the military or whatever relation to it with some grace in conversation (mostly in real life as this is what online banter is nowadays and probably always has and will) rather than attacking and letting the right (that can be reasoned with, I know some can’t be reason with) grow larger due to more alienation.
The latest Chinese propaganda has been posting pictures of their aircraft carrier meals.
Yum! Then sign me up for the “Chinese propaganda aircraft carrier” mission 😋
Operation Dim Sum vs The Orange Chicken
Looks like prison food lol
The US military industrial complex is a prison. People sign up for it for social service benefits that first world countries get given to them as a human right.
I was gonna say, if your other options are poverty / prison, this isn’t actually a bad deal practically speaking. Not gonna get into the ethics of military service other than to say blaming individuals for trying to escape poverty isn’t the answer. When I teach about chronic institutionalization in a psychiatric context, the military is one of the susceptible demographics alongside prison and long term hospitalization.
Prison and poverty is better than risking dying in a war of agression
Lots of people arguing about this in the comments, but I’m glad there’s so many people defending the position that it’s ok to do bad things if you’re poor, because that’s exactly my position. I wasn’t in the military, though, no.
I was the guy that trafficked kids to Epstein’s Island.
I don’t talk about it a lot because most of the time people judge me pretty harshly for it. You wouldn’t believe how many dates have walked out on me the moment I drop what I used to do for a living. I mean, look, I’m not a pedophile myself. Most of the guys I was working for were just desperate and in it for the money. I don’t support what the guys in Washington decided to pay me for. Blame them, not me.
What was I supposed to do, work in a warehouse or a grocery store or something? What am I, some kind of chump? Fuck that. With the money I made duct taping children’s mouths shut and throwing them into my trunk, I managed to earn enough money to put myself through college, and finally persue my real passion.
That’s right. Now I’m finally able to persue a dual major in Moral Philosophy and Women’s Studies. Also, funny coincidence, I’m a TA and I’m actually teaching one of the girls I met in my previous line of work about feminism. What a funny little coincidence!
Thank you for your service defending what this country stands for.
your honor, I object
