No. I never heard this apologia when talking about russian soldiers. I am pretty sure the consequence for refusing to serve is a lot higher than in the USA
You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration and got trapped doing this kind of shit?
What, when we were occupying Afghanistan for 20 years and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians? What on earth makes you think I only hate them because of who the president is?
Its not like you can just quit, you usually do jail time.
Tough shit. A person threatening you with jail time does not justify committing murder.
And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?
Even if they have to, they’d be no worse off than the families of the people they kill. Although, I suppose they often kill the families too, so kind of a bad example.
Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.
This may be a difficult concept to grasp, but human beings have agency which means that if someone tells you to do something, you don’t actually have to do it, because you are not a robot.
I’d you’re not going to link any info at all, why do you keep replying? I’m literally asking and everyone just downvotes me like I kicked their dog rather than proving any source.
Your claim maybe? Explain why and where you got this information. If it’s your opinion, that’s fine. I’m trying to learn here and everyone’s pulling trumper cards with “do your own research” bullshit.
You don’t understand how sources work. Let me break this down for you.
That troops are imperialist killers-for-hire is my conclusion drawn from historical facts. Those historical facts include that they went abroad to occupy a country for decades in a war of aggression that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
If you’re disputing those facts, tell me what you’re disputing and I will happily supply a source for it. If you agree with those facts, then no source is needed. If you agree with those facts but still disagree with my conclusions, then you must disagree with my logic and reasoning, which doesn’t need a source.
If you don’t understand my reasoning, then I’m happy to explain it, but I think it’s pretty straightforward. They are hired to invade countries and kill people, so they are killers-for-hire.
If you understand my reasoning but still disagree with my conclusion, then you can challenge some specific part of said reasoning.
That is how reasoning and debate works. You don’t just point wildly at whatever someone says and demand a source. If you’re asking for a source, it means that you disagree or are uncertain about some specific fact underlying the chain of reasoning that leads to a conclusion.
The last time the US military did anything not evil was WWII and that was not really by choice. It’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit because they have at least three generations of murder as examples they could have looked at.
US straight up turned away diaspora Jews who fled Hitler. Soviets let them in, even tired to warn western countries like UK and so on but The West was ready to let Hitler destroy and conquer Europe so they could be turned on the Communists. The USSR foiled that plan.
US soldiers deserve worse than shit food. Because they’re rapists and murderers. That’s why. They should just be redacted before they rape and kill more innocent people and kids. Same with IDF.
Citation?? Us involvement in: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yugoslavia, Korea, Indonesia, that’s not even mentioning israel. You got some homework to catch up on, I’ve got my reading put in for now. But actually killing hope, endless holocausts and Jakarta method are all books you can start with
I’d like to know where you’re getting your info that all us military service members are murderers. Don’t just say they deserve garbage, enlighten me. I’m literally asking and all people do is downvote and repeat it. Feel like this is a group of trumpers defending their cult.
The US military has been like this for decades though. You could argue ignorance, but at some point you have to take some personal responsibility for your actions.
You don’t think some members may have joined before this administration and got trapped doing this kind of shit?
Its not like you can just quit, you usually do jail time.
And if they have a family, are they supposed to just abandon them?
Help me understand why it’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit with very little recourse.
No. I never heard this apologia when talking about russian soldiers. I am pretty sure the consequence for refusing to serve is a lot higher than in the USA
Oh? Which administration do you claim it was fine to join during?
They can always quit, unless they are cowards .
Why are you not as concerned about the families in the receiving end of their invasions?
Why did they follow up on doing what they were told about signing up to murder foreign kids?
What, when we were occupying Afghanistan for 20 years and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians? What on earth makes you think I only hate them because of who the president is?
Tough shit. A person threatening you with jail time does not justify committing murder.
Even if they have to, they’d be no worse off than the families of the people they kill. Although, I suppose they often kill the families too, so kind of a bad example.
This may be a difficult concept to grasp, but human beings have agency which means that if someone tells you to do something, you don’t actually have to do it, because you are not a robot.
Where are you getting your info. Links please.
Links for what info? Do you need a source for the fact that there was decades-long occupation of Afghanistan? Have you been living under a rock?
I’d you’re not going to link any info at all, why do you keep replying? I’m literally asking and everyone just downvotes me like I kicked their dog rather than proving any source.
Are you an idiot?
If you want me to link you a source on a claim, tell me what specific claim. Otherwise I have no idea what information you’re looking for.
Your claim maybe? Explain why and where you got this information. If it’s your opinion, that’s fine. I’m trying to learn here and everyone’s pulling trumper cards with “do your own research” bullshit.
Put up or shut up.
You don’t understand how sources work. Let me break this down for you.
That troops are imperialist killers-for-hire is my conclusion drawn from historical facts. Those historical facts include that they went abroad to occupy a country for decades in a war of aggression that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
If you’re disputing those facts, tell me what you’re disputing and I will happily supply a source for it. If you agree with those facts, then no source is needed. If you agree with those facts but still disagree with my conclusions, then you must disagree with my logic and reasoning, which doesn’t need a source.
If you don’t understand my reasoning, then I’m happy to explain it, but I think it’s pretty straightforward. They are hired to invade countries and kill people, so they are killers-for-hire.
If you understand my reasoning but still disagree with my conclusion, then you can challenge some specific part of said reasoning.
That is how reasoning and debate works. You don’t just point wildly at whatever someone says and demand a source. If you’re asking for a source, it means that you disagree or are uncertain about some specific fact underlying the chain of reasoning that leads to a conclusion.
Here I guess then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2021)
Real weird for you to not know about the whole Iraq/Afghanistan debacle, that’s like not knowing about Vietnam.
Pretend I don’t, and explain it like I’m five
yes.
No, you asked for a source, read it.
The last time the US military did anything not evil was WWII and that was not really by choice. It’s their fault they were told to do stupid shit because they have at least three generations of murder as examples they could have looked at.
This is not even true . Fire bombing of tokyo and the two nuclear bomb are in the top worst terrorist attacks
Yeah no, I completely agree they still did loads of very evil stuff, it’s just the last time that they did any thing that was somehow helpful
US straight up turned away diaspora Jews who fled Hitler. Soviets let them in, even tired to warn western countries like UK and so on but The West was ready to let Hitler destroy and conquer Europe so they could be turned on the Communists. The USSR foiled that plan.
Canada did the same thing as the US, by the way.
You saying they joined before a administration did war crimes? So they joined before July 4, 1776?
Trump is worse, yeah of course. But there is no living USA president that shouldn’t be send to den hauge
I’m not saying any of that, I’m asking why soldiers deserve to eat trash food. No one can explain it, they just say “they deserve it”
Lower moral and enemy = more change to refuse order = less innocent Iranians civilians dead
Explain why you think that invaders of Iran, Yemen, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and many, many other places deserve better.
US soldiers deserve worse than shit food. Because they’re rapists and murderers. That’s why. They should just be redacted before they rape and kill more innocent people and kids. Same with IDF.
Explain please. Citation?
Citation?? Us involvement in: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yugoslavia, Korea, Indonesia, that’s not even mentioning israel. You got some homework to catch up on, I’ve got my reading put in for now. But actually killing hope, endless holocausts and Jakarta method are all books you can start with
Murderers deserve punishment. What more is there to explain?
More info needed. Links?
You need a source for the claim that murder is wrong?
I’d like to know where you’re getting your info that all us military service members are murderers. Don’t just say they deserve garbage, enlighten me. I’m literally asking and all people do is downvote and repeat it. Feel like this is a group of trumpers defending their cult.
You think the military tickles people? Never wondered what’s up with all those guns and bombs?
Genuinely, what do you think they do, especially with weapons like guns, tanks, bombs, etc.?
What do you think the guns are for, exactly?
Lol ok
https://www.warcosts.org/casualties
Or are you one of those “it’s not murder to intentionally kill civilians during war” types?
The US military has been like this for decades though. You could argue ignorance, but at some point you have to take some personal responsibility for your actions.
*Centuries