Meh, I admit I shrug more and more when I see these sorts of pieces with these gender nagging titles. It doesn’t feel like you’re comparing apples to apples when we talk about things like gender discrimination / issues, in many cases, and the article doesn’t really address the potential bias in the data.
eg. Ask men if they’ve ever been woken up by a BJ from a partner. You’ll likely find it a very common experience most have likely had, if they’re sexually active. Then ask them if they’ve ever been raped. Remind them that if they had a partner initiate sex while they were sleeping, they couldn’t consent, so it’d be rape. Few will actually register it, and fewer still would bother reporting it. Or take something like workplace inappropriate touching. I’ve known women in every office I’ve worked in over the past ~15 years, who were “huggers”, or who felt it perfectly fine to touch guys biceps etc. Men shrug and don’t report it, but swap the genders and it gets reported to HR pretty quick.
For another easy example of workplace discrimination targeting men/benefiting women – it’s incredibly common for women in an office to have things like women-only chat groups, and women-only networking outside of work. Fit bit groups, yoga/after work exercise, etc. Men aren’t invited/included, nor given that opportunity to network. Any man who’s worked in such an office, and has been excluded/overlooked for those groups, has been the victim of workplace gender discrimination.
Women are often in victim bubbles, that train them continuously to find fault with men’s actions, and to credit it as gender discrimination, and that most of their faults/mistakes are the result of biased systems which everyone else needs to fix. Men are in bubbles that say they’re lucky/doin good if they have any neutral/positive interaction with other people, and that all the man’s faults/mistakes are their own doing, that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And we see articles/studies like this one, feeding into that pattern.
Autistic here: I’m not even being let to work in my field, because people think autism = intellectual disability, and therefore I only play games on the PC, and all my achievements are due to some Forrest Gump style meddling from my mother.
That low?I honestly would have thought it’d be higher.
I have experienced the oposite in one of my previous jobs, multi-national company. Hiring just based on sex. In my current job for local company, male colleague who was terrible at his job was sacked within 2 months, female coleage was sacked for the same reason after 2 years. My current boss is a woman (and she is a good boss). We have ratio of 70:30, but past 3 hires were women. So these titles are just clickbait to make people angry because they are simplifying or straight disinforming.
which industry? tech is heavily Male dominated, although the confrences around me have a ton of female conference go-ers, that maybe a unique situation, since its people from all over the country and other countries descending on this area.
i tried to get into one where is heavily biased in favor of woman, biotech, health. even the buildup while in college was benefiting them way more than men, most of the voluntary labs are dominated by women solely, and have a sole preference, and i heard down grapevine the male lab manager was preferentially only choosing women. even during job hunts, they are pretty much hiring them all the time, since it fits with the 6:4 ratio in bio degrees earners, and up to masters level, but not PHD, at least for younger women than millineals, since i know some women who have bio or try to get bio at this generations couldnt get into it right away.
I don’t work in tech but I do spend a lot of time in overwhelmingly-male-dominated spaces and this is absolutely not shocking.
It’s more than half for sure.
There’s no way this ain’t more than half still. I’d even wager all women in tech specifically have had to deal with at least once in their career.
I saw it one time and had to laugh. It was a interview and a woman interviewer who asked the interviewee a tech question. The interviewee then said aren’t you from HR?"
I’m pretty sure all women do in every job.
In many women-dominated jobs, the situation is reversed, with men commonly being discriminated against.
However, for all its gender equality gains, tech remains relatively male-dominated and discriminative towards women.
Fuck off with that. More than half the women I’ve worked with have experienced discrimination in meetings where I’ve witnessed it. Big tech is a disgusting boys club.
Read: Half of women in tech do not realize they’ve faced discrimination.
FTFY
I’m willing to bet that the real number is actually somewhere above 50%, they just didn’t have enough respondents who recognized and reported it to the survey
I was thinking the same thing. Laughing it off or ignoring it, isn’t the same as it never happening.
That it’s less than half is an achievement at this point. A sad and fucked up achievement, but an improvement nonetheless.
Yeah I was sure it was more like 100%
I wonder how tightly focused the term “gender discrimination” is. Not every woman I know in my company has been discriminated against for job opportunities, and not every woman I know in my company has experienced sexual harassment, but if “discrimination” includes harassment then I would guess it is above 50%.
You don’t know when it happens. After working for a very, very long time, I’ve realized that hidden relationships are all around you. Those networks absorb opportunities that you could have. The Good Ole Boys club is real shit.
It absolutely is, and it works against anyone not in the club. I was once told by a GM in my company whom I knew outside of work, “you will apply for this job and get it. Then you will apply for that job’s manager’s job and get it. After that I won’t be able to help you.” Once I got outside his sphere of influence, I no longer had anyone advocating for me and haven’t been able to get any new jobs, lateral or promotion, since. To be fair, I’m not a great employee and have risen to the level of my incompetence; but I’ve seen other people get promotions who were not as good at the job as me because they do more of the company social stuff.
And I know that those networks definitely favor men in my industry. So you’re right, even if there isn’t outright, noticeable discrimination against women; strong bias exists.
I know my pre-COVID office had a floor of nearly 200 engineers, and only 3 women.
Regardless of policy, bias is going to happen at that scale, usually not in favor of the women. Honestly makes me sad how tough it must be.
Every woman I’ve worked with (in software engineering) has been excellent at her job, presumably because the ones who aren’t don’t last in the industry at all.
When I was younger, every time I’d attend a women leaders in STEM panel, they would inevitably ask them about hurdles and if they ever faced gender discrimination etc. Most often their answer was some version of “no”. And it’s relevant to point out they were most often tomboy/autistic coded af. I still think about how it never occurs to them that they were perfect examples of survivorship bias, and I’d rather hear the stories from the women who weren’t so lucky.
I wonder if remote work has had a positive effect since men are spending less time in the room with women.
