The Dutch company ASML, as basically the only company in the world that makes the lithography machines used to produce the most complex microchips, has again become a geopolitical pawn. The United States government is preparing to force the Netherlands to ban ASML from selling almost any chip-making machines to China, NU.nl reports.
Maybe EU should ban ASML from selling to USA?
And make a law specifically to allow ASML to sell to China.
Why do you want them to sell to China so desperately? It has done nothing but irreversible damage to countries to sell key industries to China. Look at Germany‘s history of solar power and industry robots that China bought and now mass produces instead. Germany could‘ve been a key player in this if the industry and politics played their cards right.
I don’t know what propaganda you are watching? Is it Fox News?
China is fucking 1.4 Billion people, they have invested heavily in infrastructure, education and research for 50 years, while we in Europe and USA have invested only about a third in those areas.
Of course they are catching up. Just like Japan did, Just like South Korea did. AND just like USA did stealing technology from Europe.
China is now among the world leaders in 8 out of 10 key industries. And very obviously, China is working on their own technology to replace ASML even harder now than they did a few years ago, exactly because USA has demanded we sanction the technology to slow them down on AI.
Well guess what. USA will lose the AI race to China so badly, that most probably ALL the big American AI companies will probably go bankrupt. Because they are driven by a gold rush craze, investing way more than the economy can justify. While in China they are pragmatically working towards using cheaper AI solutions to solve actual practical problems.
I want to trade with China because they are a WAY WAY more reliable trading partner than USA is.
A large portion of this business was American, just in case you didn’t know.
No it’s not, ASML is Dutch and built on Dutch traditions for lithography through more than a century.
Just because a few Americans like Intel have stock in ASML doesn’t make it American.
This is like how Americans think they’re from other places. I’m Italian! Declares a fifth generation American who speaks no Italian and has never left New Jersey
The article says ASML is dependent on US suppliers. Cutting off sales to the US would probably backfire.
I bet we can get those parts from China if we make an agreement with them.
I think it’s time for nations to take a hard look at their pipelines and realize how little places like the Netherlands have moved from their dark root in the slave trade. If it needs fascist governments, totalitarian states, or exploitative labor to produce, maybe don’t fucking make that thing.
Or just ignore history. Ya, that’s what they’ll do. Keep your Black Pete and ill-gotten wares. Jesus, do better.
I’m looking at my pipelines, what is it that I’m supposed to look for?
I have no idea what you mean by any of that? Who is black Pete? Is that a slavery reference? And who are you accusing? And what are you accusing them of.
The newly developed dependence on US gas is a problem.
Selling euv to China will let them reverse engineer it and put a state sponsored competitor on the market within 5 years.
Frankly if Europe really meant business they’d put a heavy export tariff on it, so the chip companies have to produce in Europe.
Everybody can reverse engineer it, with that mindset nobody could ever sell anything.
Nope, asml machines are of such complexity that no sane country/company would try to reverse engineer it.
But China isn’t driven by conventional economics nor honest trade. They want everyone else to become dependent on them as a way to get power and soft colonise others.