It gets better. Capitalism is designed to make sure you work for the rest of your life. Like a cow or sheep. While any rich person doesnt need to work or do shit. The aristocrats were all in on capitalism when it first gained traction. I wonder why?
too add on, in america mostly people are expected to “launch” the moment they turn 18 without any financial/job stability, so some dont because of that.
The aristocrats were all in on capitalism when it first gained traction
No they weren’t. The aristocrats were upset that the bourgeoisie were getting uppity and taking their power. Read the communist manifesto, it was written back when capitalism was first overtaking feudalism. People were salty! The French had a revolution!
The same people weren’t playing both sides. There were aristocrats who saw the writing on the wall and joined with the proletariat partially so they could keep their heads and partially because they figured they could come out as the new aristocracy if they played along. Plenty of aristocrats made the other choice and got beheaded.
Let’s do a better example, how much did living standards, health, happiness, and retirement age improve when socialism was implemented and monarchism was pushed out? How much did those metrics fall when capitalism was introduced?
Nah fuck that you prove to me humanity can do an economy properly than we have a conversation. At this point we will all die before we ever have a proper economy. The greed of the few out weigh the needs of the many.
Holy shit you make a point and then lose reality. Why the fuck do you think those people were in poverty in the first place? You think what made them in poverty disappeared or was masked? There are still rich, poor and middle class. They have a broken economy because everyone has a broken economy.
55/60 for women/men but the pension wasn’t exactly high. Life expectancy 65 for men, 74 for women. Population was still growing too. Retirement as a concept requires enough young people to serve the needs of the old.
Oh, dearie me, a pure seeker of knowledge. Sorry, it’s just that no one had mentioned the Soviet Union. And people usually bring up things that read like non-sequiturs when they want to establish a connection.
And I didn’t downvote. Yet. I usually wait to downvote until a commenter leaves little doubt that they’re a dickhead.
The American dream narrative makes people falsely believe that they too can eventually become an aristocrat such that, against their own interests, they fail to stand in solidarity to hold them accountable.
Step one, don’t let people think. What are the chances of me becoming dont-need-to-work-a-day-more-in-my-entire-life rich, given zero relatives at that level of wealth and any country of residence? Practically zero, unless I am something exceptional
I have no idea how it happens that so many fail to see even that
All it takes is to look at the graphic of historic social mobility in the US to know that the American Dream is dead, buried, then was exhumed, incinerated and the billionaires pissed on its ashes.
I think that’s a pessimistic perspective. Especially when we have clear examples of what real material changes, even at the smallest levels of government, awaken people from that same pessimism.
The idea that further suffering is a requirement for progress is exactly what capitalism is offering. That better things aren’t possible.
The conservatives will believe it when they are paying over $6 a gallon for gas. That the suffering is a requirement for progress.
The left will believe it as a means of justifying inaction. That “the masses are just not there yet. They need to suffer more”.
The job of the left is to get the masses there. To show them what a functioning system actually looks like. That pot holes can be filled. That children can have daycare. That groceries can be affordable. That wars can end. That genocide is not a defensive measure.
If there is no hope, the amount of suffering required to invoke change will never be directed into unified action. The frustration and suffering of the masses will continue to grasp to the scapegoats of the fascist. Because the fascist offer them a hope (falsely) for less suffering.
You can’t just wait until people are suffering to the point that they build the guillotines. People build the guillotines when they are suffering and have an organized direction and example of a means of reducing suffering.
The levels of suffering are not the limitation right now. The amount of organization and unity within the left is what is limited. And that is changing quickly. We are building a movement to direct the anger of the masses towards the powers of capital that are causing it.
The only way maga stops being transphobic and racist is when they or their loved ones are too hurt and hungry to care. Yes I do think this lowly of bigots.
Until then it’s fuck you and your kids from them.
Keep telling yourself you’re doing enough to enact change tho. Don’t let reality make you sad.
Hell, that’s exactly how they are going to describe the downfall of this society. The sane and capable didn’t want reality to make them sad, so they downplayed everything around them and talked hopeful rainbows and sunshine while everything imploded due to bad faith actors they ignored.
I am hopeful that the bad people will feel enough pain to focus inward instead of outward. Sorry if that isn’t a kind enough perspective for you. It’s what they deserve anyway, and the only realistic avenue for change.
When I talked about the leftist using pessimism as a means to justify their own inaction; you didn’t have to give me a textbook example of that. But, thanks I guess.
Damn, when someone uses “I vote” as their example for being active for positive change. You gotta have something better than that after that massive rant of negativity towards others. Come on mate. That’s just embarrassing.
It gets better. Capitalism is designed to make sure you work for the rest of your life. Like a cow or sheep. While any rich person doesnt need to work or do shit. The aristocrats were all in on capitalism when it first gained traction. I wonder why?
too add on, in america mostly people are expected to “launch” the moment they turn 18 without any financial/job stability, so some dont because of that.
No they weren’t. The aristocrats were upset that the bourgeoisie were getting uppity and taking their power. Read the communist manifesto, it was written back when capitalism was first overtaking feudalism. People were salty! The French had a revolution!
Yeah and guess who was funding both sides and the start of capitalism? Play both sides is the best strategy.
The same people weren’t playing both sides. There were aristocrats who saw the writing on the wall and joined with the proletariat partially so they could keep their heads and partially because they figured they could come out as the new aristocracy if they played along. Plenty of aristocrats made the other choice and got beheaded.
What was the retirement age in the Soviet Union?
Let’s do a better example, how much did living standards, health, happiness, and retirement age improve when socialism was implemented and monarchism was pushed out? How much did those metrics fall when capitalism was introduced?
Lol. You refer to that country as an example?
An example of what?
Lol again. That a serious question?
Nah fuck that you prove to me humanity can do an economy properly than we have a conversation. At this point we will all die before we ever have a proper economy. The greed of the few out weigh the needs of the many.
Over 90% of Chinese adults own their own home.
That’s not proof an economy works. That’s proof you can own a home.
800 million people lifted out of poverty in 40 years.
Holy shit you make a point and then lose reality. Why the fuck do you think those people were in poverty in the first place? You think what made them in poverty disappeared or was masked? There are still rich, poor and middle class. They have a broken economy because everyone has a broken economy.
Calm down, big guy. I’m saying their economy is working waaaaay better than any western neoliberal capitalist structures.
Way better than trash is not something I would be proud of.
A proper economy is one where the people who need things more pay more than the people who need them less. That’s how we know what things should cost.
Is that why most people can’t afford and don’t receive healthcare in America?
Most people in the United States can afford and do receive healthcare, hope that helps
Yeah like communism on paper why dont you apply that?
55/60 for women/men but the pension wasn’t exactly high. Life expectancy 65 for men, 74 for women. Population was still growing too. Retirement as a concept requires enough young people to serve the needs of the old.
What is your goal with this question?
To find out what the answer is. What was your goal in downvoting it?
Oh, dearie me, a pure seeker of knowledge. Sorry, it’s just that no one had mentioned the Soviet Union. And people usually bring up things that read like non-sequiturs when they want to establish a connection.
And I didn’t downvote. Yet. I usually wait to downvote until a commenter leaves little doubt that they’re a dickhead.
Sure, I’ll definitely take this unverifiable protestation of innocence entirely seriously
Watch those downvote numbers. Because they’re all about to increase by at least one now.
Thank you for admitting to brigading
You pretending to be this stupid?
Being able to tag other users is a really useful feature.
The American dream narrative makes people falsely believe that they too can eventually become an aristocrat such that, against their own interests, they fail to stand in solidarity to hold them accountable.
Step one, don’t let people think. What are the chances of me becoming dont-need-to-work-a-day-more-in-my-entire-life rich, given zero relatives at that level of wealth and any country of residence? Practically zero, unless I am something exceptional
I have no idea how it happens that so many fail to see even that
All it takes is to look at the graphic of historic social mobility in the US to know that the American Dream is dead, buried, then was exhumed, incinerated and the billionaires pissed on its ashes.
I don’t believe the people are willing to challenge the status quo.
I guess they need more suffering yet.
Given the American dream, there must exist an American sleep paralysis demon.
You seem to be correct
I think when gas prices get rough enough, America will have its come to Jesus moment. We’re only seeing the beginning.
I think that’s a pessimistic perspective. Especially when we have clear examples of what real material changes, even at the smallest levels of government, awaken people from that same pessimism.
The idea that further suffering is a requirement for progress is exactly what capitalism is offering. That better things aren’t possible.
The conservatives will believe it when they are paying over $6 a gallon for gas. That the suffering is a requirement for progress.
The left will believe it as a means of justifying inaction. That “the masses are just not there yet. They need to suffer more”.
The job of the left is to get the masses there. To show them what a functioning system actually looks like. That pot holes can be filled. That children can have daycare. That groceries can be affordable. That wars can end. That genocide is not a defensive measure.
If there is no hope, the amount of suffering required to invoke change will never be directed into unified action. The frustration and suffering of the masses will continue to grasp to the scapegoats of the fascist. Because the fascist offer them a hope (falsely) for less suffering.
You can’t just wait until people are suffering to the point that they build the guillotines. People build the guillotines when they are suffering and have an organized direction and example of a means of reducing suffering.
The levels of suffering are not the limitation right now. The amount of organization and unity within the left is what is limited. And that is changing quickly. We are building a movement to direct the anger of the masses towards the powers of capital that are causing it.
Realism is not pessimism.
The only way maga stops being transphobic and racist is when they or their loved ones are too hurt and hungry to care. Yes I do think this lowly of bigots.
Until then it’s fuck you and your kids from them.
Keep telling yourself you’re doing enough to enact change tho. Don’t let reality make you sad.
Hell, that’s exactly how they are going to describe the downfall of this society. The sane and capable didn’t want reality to make them sad, so they downplayed everything around them and talked hopeful rainbows and sunshine while everything imploded due to bad faith actors they ignored.
I am hopeful that the bad people will feel enough pain to focus inward instead of outward. Sorry if that isn’t a kind enough perspective for you. It’s what they deserve anyway, and the only realistic avenue for change.
When I talked about the leftist using pessimism as a means to justify their own inaction; you didn’t have to give me a textbook example of that. But, thanks I guess.
Thanks dipshit but I vote. Yes your own lame ass as a straw man instead.
Damn, when someone uses “I vote” as their example for being active for positive change. You gotta have something better than that after that massive rant of negativity towards others. Come on mate. That’s just embarrassing.