I seriously need to get this giant big cyberpunk writing/worldbuilding project of mine on the road.
Because at the moment, cyberpunk is becoming aspirational. Reality is just, dunno, cyberpunk but dumb as hell.
I like to call it burgerpunk
It isn’t just a surveillance state, they are 100% building a behavior prediction algorithm state.
The US government already started pre-crime policing. No future tense about it, full on dystopia is already here.
China was the testbed. All of them are doing the same thing
China has been proposing its surveillance model to other countries through their new silk roads (or whatever the name is)
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You could have checked by yourself but instead chose to say this? You come of as lazy, insulting and ignorant, and for what? Beats me. Tankie maybe?
Edit: tankie. I took the time to find links, for nothing. Tankies are the plague of Lemmy
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/31/world/china-surveillance-solomon-islands-trump-nepal.html
https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-civil-society-exposes-human-rights-risks-digital-silk-road
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They are openly doing it, it’s no secret. They call iit smart cities and safe policing
You’re not in sync with the party it seems.
Not even good at being a tankie lapdog. That’s sad.
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I’m not american you bell end
Not a China fan, but at least I can travel to China without getting arrested.
That’s only true if you only do and say things online that China approves of.
China has secret police, and has for decades.
ICE is Trump’s attempt at creating a secret police.
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None because the police are secret
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Shh… they are taking the piss out of the argument of the person you are responding to lol
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ICE are just brownshirts, you’re thinking of the CIA and FBI.
I wasn’t joking when I said the ccp spies on their citizens and I wasn’t joking when I said the US spies on their citizens after the Patroit Act. The normalization of a surveillance police state all across the world is terrifying.
Uk too.
Chinese citizen would be living under
Correction: Chinese citizens already living under a surveillance state. UK and now US and also many other countries is merely learning from the best(worst). Mandatory age verification for socmed and game? China already have that years ago. ISP level blocking? Great Firewall of China is there from the beginning.
End to end encryption chats are banned in China btw. China is living in this complete dystopia already and the only reason we don’t hear it because China is very good at hiding this. The great firewall is as much to contain Chinese inside as it is to repel others.
Seems like USA is trying to be everything bad with china with none of the good parts
What good parts are there in China for the average citizen?
IDK their public transit and high speed trains seem pretty good. And they seem to actually be building high density, walkable housing (and it must be relatively affordable if some people can afford 2 or 3 places to live).
Umm not sure if you have been to China or actually know people from there, but no, public transportation isn’t good everywhere (especially in rural regions), and housing absolutely isn’t affordable, typically you need an entire families worth of income that goes to the son to afford a home, and on top of that, when you buy a home in China, you are given 70 year lease on the land, so not sure how many Americans would want that sort of thing. Great thinking of how things are far worse in other countries though.
Hard to believe it can get worse than somewhere like Arlington, TX (or any of the many other semi suburban places in America with NO public transit (as in not a single public bus or greyhound-type a day). I feel like 70 year lease would help stop the rich from hoarding generational wealth and giving it to their kids, allowing everyone a chance at getting a house when the parents die, though not sure how well it works in practice.
Capitalists are constantly telling on themselves.
This isn’t a capitalism problem. It’s an authoritarianism problem. The only thing about this that relates to capitalism is that it’s a private company setting up the cameras instead of the state doing it.
“Decentralize the mass surveillance!” cries the anarcho-libertarian. “Big Government is monopolizing all the cameras! We should let the market decide who gets spied on!”
Capitalism is about gaining all power (capital). Its end goal is complete surveillance. 2+2 = 4
That’s a gross over simplification that ignores the influence of the insurance industry shifting the baseline of public surveillance and crony capitalism that infects our municipalities.
Yes, that’s how it’s implemented under capitalism.
States further into their authoritarianism don’t need to bother with middle men and cutouts and shit.
They just put up the cameras.
Capitalism is pretty inherently authoritarian. The boss calls the shots.
The same thing is happening/has already happened in China, the government there can find you and black bag you anywhere at any time. Ask Naomi Wu.
Russia basically is this already.
Europe is also trying to go there with the repeated attempts to pass chat control and age restrictions on internet access.
In the US, capitalism is the tool the authoritarians are using to accomplish their goals, and it is absolutely enabling the spread of the surveillance state. Capitalism itself is not the motivation for the surveillance state, it’s just being used by the authoritarians. If we’re going to put a stop to this kind of behavior, we have to get the targets right. Flock and the other companies like them are a symptom of the larger problem.
