WTH is this shit?!

edit: for those wondering, the setting can be found under Settings -> Privacy -> GDPR for the EU version only I think

  • krigo666@lemmy.worldEnglish
    40·
    2 years ago

    The dialog shown does not comply to the GPDR. Makes it very difficult and time consuming to reject cookies and consent, according to the GPDR it has to have an option to do it quickly. This just a giant dark pattern dialog to make users give up.

    • WimpyWoodchuck@feddit.deEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      For me, everything was disabled once I opened the dialog opens. Legitimate interest was still enabled, but that’s compliant to the GDPR.

  • usernotfound@lemmy.mlEnglish
    406·
    2 years ago

    Why is it called “Revoke consent”? Consent was never asked during setup, so how can it be revoked?

    Edit: oh great. It doesn’t even save your settings for objecting to “Legitimate interest”. Uninstalled.

    It’s ironic, because the companies who claim to have a legitimate interest in tracking my behaviour are the ones I want to block from tracking me most of all.

    • BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.oneEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      Highly recommend thunder or Connect as well if you aren’t satisfied with liftoff. I’ve used all (I think?) The android apps and those two go back and forth for my favorite. Thunder looks slickest but connect is the most stable and easy to navigate imo.

    • JohnEdwa@kbin.social
      14·
      2 years ago

      “Confirm Choices” should also function as that button, as the consent needs to be opt-in - nothing should be on by default.

      • SanguinePar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        Can confirm this, I was offered (and chose) the Do Not Consent option. Weird that not everyone is seeing it.

        • Razp@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Was the update done server side or client? There was not any updates to the app

          • Murvel@lemm.eeOPEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            For me, the dialogue changed and I think the prompt is some html redirect. Gives me the option to deny all (but it currently does not work)

  • plantstho@kbin.social
    8·
    2 years ago

    I’m in the US and don’t have the ability to opt-out of these things.

    I used Sync for Reddit for many years but the Lemmy version’s privacy policy is not what I was hoping to see. I would love a clarification around what privacy improvements a subscription might add…

    • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      291·
      2 years ago

      Sync was always an ad supported app with ways to remove them.

      I’m not sure why anyone would expect that to change.

      I get it, the idea of ads on an app accessing an ad-free, and generally anti capitalist network like lemmy is dissonant. But the truth is that I’d rather have ads in apps than have developers not getting paid for their work.

      You gotta realize, it is a time intensive thing. If someone is working on a lemmy app in their spare time, that means development is going to be slow as hell. If they’re getting enough income to do it full time (or even part time but dedicated), then we have access to a stable, well supported app.

      Google has fucked over developers in how they can monetize. They can’t do iterative sales the way software used to work, where you’d buy a program and any major new versions were a new purchase. They’re limited in how many versions they can have in the play store, so they can’t have tiers at various price points.

      Google wants their cut, and that’s all they really care about. They get the biggest flow from subscriptions and ads. So they try and channel developers into those streams. It’s a long standing problem.

      Thia is one of those things where you can’t hate the player, you gotta hate the game.

      • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        9·
        2 years ago

        As long as people can remove the trackers and not have their data sold by paying upfront, instead of having to pay AND part with your privacy then I don’t think there is any problem with this. Especially because of the FOSS community’s general attitude of ‘Is it really open-source if the dev doesn’t have to do borderline illegal labor in China to survive?’ sucks

      • Melkor@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        People still sell software the traditional way, especially B2B. I don’t like your argument because it assumes someone needs to be paid, community efforts benefit the community and there are plenty of people who just want to make use of their technology on their own terms. They can put ads in this that’s their choice, but even adfree if tracking is bundled in it can’t be said to be ethical. The community excitement does baffle me a bit, respectfully.

        • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          2 years ago

          I mean, you don’t have to like the way things are. But pretending that aren’t that way is pointless.

          I dunno, were you a reddit user? If not, I don’t think you’d understand that this particular app was top of the pile, and Dawson was begged to port it for lemmy. Those of us doing that begging, or encouraging him to do so all knew that the app was ad supported with payment options. We all voiced willingness to not only use the app, but to pony up the costs.

          Third party apps are were the default way to access reddit for over a decade. Losing them, and then having to migrate to a new place is daunting. Having a familiar app with a superb interface takea away part of the emotional side of losing reddit. That may seem silly, but that’s why everyone is so hyped.

          Now, the tracking part sucks, but that’s Google, not Dawson. Admob is utter shit in that regard. It’s why I block anything and everything related to it. But the way to address that is to focus on that, not blaming Dawson for being stuck in capitalism. We all gotta pay the bills, and his training as a developer is how he does that. There’s already a subscription to remove ads, ways to modify the apk to remove trackers, ad/tracker blockers, and Dawson is a very responsive guy. One of the easiest devs to communicate with overall.

          How would you prefer he monetize?

          • Melkor@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            12·
            2 years ago

            Ultimately I’d prefer he didn’t, as it’s reinforcing the race to the bottom you refer to above. Yes google caused it, yes we choose to participate. I am also a developer and pushed out apps without ad support in business contexts, admittedly niche, but basically a single person should not be able to monetize at this level and for just their own gain. We lose a lot compared to any short term benefit. Yes I’m talking ideals, I want people to focus more on ideals generally and less on growth and monetization.

  • Ethalis@jlai.luEnglish
    91·
    2 years ago

    The two toggles called “Consent” and “Legitimate interest” is one of the most jarring things I’ve seen since GDPR came out. Those are legal basis for processing data, they’re not supposed to shown like that to the user, that just makes no sense.

    User have to opt-in for processing activities that are based on consent, and be allowed to opt-out of processing activities that are based on legitimate interest, but to do that they must know what those processing activities are in the first place!

    Edit: The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. What does a toggle just called “consent” mean? Am I opting in for “consent”? Why are they just writing “legitimate interest” without telling what is the interest and why it is legitimate? Complete nonsense

  • dottedgreenline@lemmy.mlEnglish
    61·
    2 years ago

    Back to jerboa for me. Even though people seem to overlook it, it seems to work pretty well, and every single app I try just leads me back to it. I am also getting faster loading thumbnails and images on it than sync. Sync does feel smooth with its high refresh rate, but in my limited time with it, that seems to be the only plus it has over jerboa (edit: for the way I like using it; list or compact mode).