We’ve been getting a lot of AI coded submissions recently, as well as lots of reports asking to remove them.
Should we remove these posts, or not?
No, I think that there should not be a anti-AI rule. People can downvote those post if they are anti AI.
Idk if zero tolerance is the way to go, but conceptually at least allowing things with “significant” AI usage is kind of horrifying to me. The entire rest of the fucking world is completely uncritically embracing it so i see no reason why places like these have to allow it as well, i think it should be obvious that we want some communities that reject AI usage so we have control groups and safe havens for the future…
AI slop & AI code is very different. If its just pure vibe coded slop with no oversight or effort, then sure its just junk, remove it.
But a lot of experienced developers now use AI tooling to increase productivity, just because AI was used in the process should be consider it slop?
How about making a rule that it is at least six months old and in continued development? This would filter out most slop.
agreed. i think metrics like this are much more practical and useful:
- age of project
- number of stars (not great, but can help show overall interest)
- number of versions/updates
- activiely maintained
if an amazing, maintained tool uses AI, that’s a lot different than a one-night project that’s never been tested and will be abandoned in a week
remove
I vote to remove myself but I’d be fine with just having to state AI involvement
I think a disclosure at least in the title of the post should be required. But only if the software is known to be not slop at all. The problem with this approach is, that everyone has their own threshold and definition of what slop means, or are misinformed about the project. Overall I do not think it’s a good idea to ban any Ai contributed or assisted project.
As an example, do you consider Linux to be Ai slop project?
I’m referring to these new projects coded by AI from scratch, not existing projects which have an occasional LLM contribution.
People are submitting a lot of these AI projects recently.
What about project that were developed normally, but later changed to a complete vibe coded slop model? Because if this is allowed, then this would be a loophole basically. Just start a project without Ai, then do all the stuff with it.
Rule 1 says Posts must be relevant to the open source ideology
I don’t think any ai projects can claim to be that when their copyright status is debatable and the tooling is worse with how closed their training is.
You are just adding your oss preferences to open source here. I too have preferences, like no corp oss, no ads, no logins, no telemetry and so on, but i have to accept oss as oss more broadly.
I would recommend that you set your agent to filter out posts you don’t want, but you would likely rather censor this sub than automate it with an agent…
You are just adding your oss preferences to open source here.
OSS == Open-Source Software, what are you talking about
Posts must be relevant to the open source ideology
Did you not read the full rule?
How can something that is inherently closed sourced be in line with that rule?
I’ll tug on that thread… so can we not use Windows or macOS to develop OSS code on? It has to be on a Linux machine? What if the BIOS is closed source or it’s using binary blobs for the video drivers?
You’re missing the point he’s trying to make IMO. He’s questioning if software can be categorized as open source, if it is coded by closed source LLMs, that in turn only aquired their database by stealing someone elses intellectual property. It’s a valid question. OSS is more than just “I can see and fork the code”.
But humans do basically the same thing and their brains aren’t open source either
I truly meant it as a debatable question. If LLMs didn’t have massive proven negative ecological and societal impacts, I’m not sure which way I would lean. Since they do, I have a clear personal opinion. But it’s just that. My opinion.
Humans also have massive negative ecological and societal impacts depending on the person/society. I don’t see how whether a human or LLM writes code changes how open source it is.
Since when has development tooling mattered for something to be FOSS? If it relies on propietary software to build or run it then there’s an argument it’s not truly free.
But if we’re saying that anything developed using closed source tools is not allowed then we’ll have to throw out anything that was developed on a mac or Windows PC.
People against LLM parrot the same arguments again and again that it has simply lost its original meaning.
copyright status is debatable
debatable by who? who is going to settle this debate?, the courts who serve corporate greed?, Legislation made by politicians lobbied by SaaS companies? Anthropic? OpenAi? Microsoft?
The “Copyright is debatable/ its just a plagiarism machine” stance is not the Leftist/ pro FOSS gotcha argument you think it is. The point of the FOSS movement was to have total freedom over software, and that freedom includes the ability to study, learn and use it in ways it was not intended for. To stand as the antitheses of that is make Steve Balmer happy
I vote remove
Keep them but perhaps ask for #ai tags in titel, so those not wanting them can scroll past them.
All these new apps/software announcements will just get better and better, and if they are open source, they clearly fall in under this sub. At some point most users will have their own agents that can add or improve these new projects as they see fit, so let si oss be shown here as normal.
There are already super cool vibe coded open source software, and let’s be honest, not all hooman software is great, so why not ban shitty hooman software/coders while we are at it? Oc not - oss is oss no matter how its made, even if the description sounds like an ai, or it’s not always maintained.
In the near future, pure hooman coded open source will become more and more rare, so those interested in non-ai open source should start new sub’s for their special wants instead of posing restrictions on what is becoming the new normal.
Remove them
Require an AI tag for anything written in part or in whole by AI.
Remove them. There could be another community for slop.
I think requiring AI disclosure like how [email protected] does is a good approach. Not all projects rely as heavily on LLMs as others.
Remove them
