oi, hitting the critical mass of enough users to be interesting, but thankfully not at enough users where it is profitable for them yet. sigh

smile I’ve been sitting on this for a few years. Finally in a position to tackle it! honeygain looks nifty i might take a closer look later. currently have my hands full with the initial plan. =)

No, they are free to do that. thats literally not what I’m building or anything I’ll personally care about.

You said i’ll be selling the vps. which i wont be. and I don’t care personally about the VPS’ or seed boxes at all. They are not required and have no impact on what I’m building. the cost savings I mentioned elsewhere for them are just a side effect of good design.

edit: to clarify: I’d love to see them do it because that means people like the system i’m building.
edit2: I know its hard to admit you might be wrong. Dont worry! this is the internet. people are wrong all the time.

in no way am i selling a vps (hell I’d love for them to sell systems w/ the software Im building preconfigured), and no there won’t be a markup beyond the processing fees (long term). The subscription is opt in and goes to creators (again less the processing fee and like $1 to cover the base hosting costs until economics kick in). and its 100% self contained application. And no i’m not just wiring software that already exists together, because if i did it wouldn’t work the way i want it to work or be as slick/user friendly. And literally as I explained elsewhere it has saved me money on seedboxes.

As I said elsewhere, you’ll all be delighted when its ready. But im not willing to say more until I have it built. Anyways did i miss any of your erroneous claims that you’d like me to address?

edit: Hell go check out egdaemon.com. that’s also my work, and another system I’m basically offering at cost to developers. did it last Q4 last year. just go through the setup guide in a linux container. I spend a ton of effort figuring out how to make systems work painlessly and cost effectively. note: egdaemon still have some issues upstream I havent been able to address due to time/ecosystem dynamics.

And I literally spelled that out in the post ‘cloud storage at cost’ in a torrenting daemon. I’ve now also explained how its relevant to people here who couldn’t connect the dots, but that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Some people asked good questions both here and privately and thats all I was after atm. =)

nope, 100% incorrect on all counts.

Awesome! I’ll ping you shortly, probably over the weekend, Im packed rest of the week. I havent seen veilid! But I’ve built similar things in the past, mostly to learn as i was cutting my teeth learning many years ago.

Looks like a straight up kademlia (from the 160bit keys at least) implementation with some modern RPC on top? would definitely consider looking closer at it. ATM I have that bit squared away enough for the initial program (though I’ve been gutting the library a bit for it to be functional for the use cases I have planned). but it’ll definitely need some love at some point. just have a million other parts to build first before the optimization bits occur.

I understanding your post mostly?

You’re 100% on point! Yes the monetization is mostly for access to the cloud storage, covers the supporting infrastructure, and ideally puts some food on my and a few others table long term so we can continue improving these system, while giving users cloud storage for orders of magnitude less than whats on the market.

I have a few other systems I’d like to invert and break the markets on as well. but these things take time to build sadly, both from a pure technical stand point and from a communal building process.

For example ATM I have no street cred so why would people trust what I say? That’s what I’m trying to do atm with this post: build that credibility with you and other people within the community via working together and building a useful tool, that does exactly what I’ve laid out here. I expect this process to take years. =)

And then how does advertising and content creators come into play?

The advertising stuff is longer term, and ideally just a way for users to earn some scratch. For me its a middle finger to the current systems out there.

But the basic idea is if the system hits a critical mass of users and is in that ‘valuable eye space’ category users will be able to enable and setup ads. The money from the ads will be credited to your account in two parts, yours and a portion towards the creators of the content you watch. Each month the creator portion will be applied on top of subscription value for the peoples whose content you’ve watched. Your portion you can do whatever you want; can be used to offset your subscription, take payouts at set values (processing fees blow).

The ads are the hardest part to do honestly, as it requires a user base and either a platform for advertisers to use or hooking into the existing (exploitative) systems somehow. Its an area that if / when its done will be done very thoughtfully.

but I won’t have stable internet access besides cellular for about a year.

That makes you super valuable in this context! unstable environments are the best test beds. I usually have my dev environments setup to simulate these situations, but doesnt replace the real thing.

Doing it all in one style might simplify the process enough to onboard less tech savvy people.

That’s my hope! I have a few non-techies lined up for later in the process. primarily once the VPN stuff is in place; at least at that point they’ll just need to focus on signing up for a VPN and finding a private tracker.

I am potentially interested

Great! I’m potentially interested in working with you! ;) We’ll be in touch.

indeed. Not like they dont have a bigger issue with their government lterally dissolving before their eyes. I wonder how they expect to uphold this when DOGE finishes its amazingly competent efforts at ‘efficiency’

Thats fine. either people are interested or their not atm. I just dont have anything to show for a few more weeks. its just barely usable for me.

I dont want to talk about the details here because this is a legal grey area in a public space, like seriously wtf you’re pushing for details on a comm with rules directly protecting it from these exact problems. I was literally trying to give people enough information to have their interest piqued and be curious and raise their hand and have some fun learning about each other. But so far the responses have been like i fucking drowned your pets. 😞 suffice to say, disappointed.

That particular aspect literally is just personal cloud storage, its not distributed.

put it this way: you can spend money for a beefy seed box or on a NAS you need to manage or use a signficantly smaller systems and seed significantly more data. making it easier to maintain your ratio, increasing the available within the tracker of data, etc. And spend less money. That’s all I’m willing to say publicly at this time.

People who are eligible and interested (which you arent atm) will be informed of the other details which are far more interesting than these basic aspects.

Primarily because I didnt want to spell it out in a public comm. But here we are.

here is an example case for the people here, obviously the total uplink is a consideration but this is just a demonstration:

with the storage offloading: 3TB costs €4.5 / month + €3 euro subscription.= €7.5. Cost difference between those servers: €10.8. using the smaller box + what I’m building it’ll cost €10.50/month and you’ll be able to seed 8TB instead of 6TB. And those economics only improve the bigger the box you’re currently using gets.

On top of all that if we can get enough people on board I can do some really cool things around partial seeding of content. further reducing overall costs for everyone and improving the network.

All the while the archive layer will have no idea what data you’ve uploaded . and you can also upload just misc stuff you want backed up but not shared for far cheaper than the current cloud drive products out there.

sigh i literally have to spell everything out. my seedbox is significantly smaller, is serving more content, and I’m spending less overall.

there is a nice CI/CD system that works locally and at cost hosted runners for personal plans. its very early stage. but i’ve been using it for my personal projects.

it runs on a virtualization stack, and it can do things like github code spaces + ci/cd + model training. has built in code coverage/custom metrics.

the code spaces bit doesnt work perfectly yet sadly (upstream issues) and mac support needs some improvements.

we all know what you meant. you’re just incorrect, your conflating multiple different types of attacks and asserting the one that is easiest to resolve is an equivalent problem. shrug

1. if the developer of the application is writing malware, its malware end of story. its usually discovered rapidly and people avoid it.
2. supply chain attacks are harder to achieve (i.e. uploading a tainted binary to a software repository)
3. curling a shell script is pretty much the easiest target. you have a bunch of randomly setup servers serving a program that literally intended to install software on systems. You now have a large surface area random from typo attacks, to dns poisoning etc.

many devs i’ve encountered in the wild (FANG/startups/randomly) can barely sort a list without causing problems. so now we have people hosting multiple servers they probably didn’t configure correctly. meaning instead of a few centralized repositories we need to secure we now have to trust these individual people have enough technical know how to safely host such a setup.

thats the problem with these setups. its not the developer being a bad actor we’re worried about, its the systems they’ve setup to serve these scripts. with checksums and side channels its easy to validate the resulting binary. which can effectively nips any issues with a compromised repository.

1. no one is talking about NPM libraries. we’re talking about released packages.
2. you absolutely can ensure a binary hasnt been tampered with. its called checksumming.
3. you’re confusing MITM attacks with supply chain attacks. MITM attacks are far easier to pull off.

Not everything is provided with a package manager

Yes. thats precisely the problem we’re pointing out to you. if you’re going to provide software over the internet provide a proper package with checksum validation. its not hard, stop providing bash scripts.

How do you know the script hasnt been compromised? Is every user competent enough to evaluate it to ensure its safe to run?

Using package managers to handle this provides a couple things: First: most package manager have builtin mechanisms to ensure the binary is unmodified Second: they provide a third party validating them.

Lol if you think we send in Seal team 6 for hostages of foreign countries.

Thank you for your upcoming service. I look forward to mildly annoying you!

there are well known distribution lists that people add servers to that these things periodically fetch and use to perform the blocking.