Ahhhh, sometimes I forget the implications of me opening my big mouth in cases like this. lol. Well, I’m glad it was a positive experience. :) It’s something I need to remind myself constantly of as I am bad about getting sucked into responding to perceived rudeness with rudeness of my own - I definitely have RSD and it fucking sucks.
There’s a difference between trusting something written for general purpose use not to have harmful code vs. something written specifically for communications people want to keep private that would therefore be a target.
So either I felt I was making a valid point for consideration that I thought was valuable to make, or I’m a troll wasting everyone’s time.
I know what I am. And I’m starting not to care what you or others think. Go blindly and trust whatever you want, it’s no skin off my back. Frankly, I use Telegram because none of my comms are particularly sensitive, and I have no problem with that. I’d rather my private conversatiosn not be actively posted somewhere, but in the case of a breach, it wouldn’t be the end of my world. So I’ve no problem trusting Telegram thus far, personally, in my case.
Anyway, have a nice time. Understand my point or don’t.
It’d be hilarious if you could choose that as an option. I’d like to pick between a hundred different accents. lol
I couldn’t see anything there (but it sounds like some could) - anyone else has problems, try this one - it’s in the latter half: https://www.tiktok.com/@maya_maybee/video/7608347117161041183
Ah, man… I know it’s a screwup and it’s just hilarious.
You can take your rudeness and bugger off. I’m done with you.
Make all the accusations you want. You think you’re smart, but you are not.
If you are not auditing the source code, you are trusting those that are.
Precisely.
And it’s worth repeating here - the level of trust needed is affected by the nature of what you might lose if that trust is broken. For non-important things, trusting a third-party company is probably fine. If you’re in a country and being found out might mean you get put to death, though, the stakes are a bit higher.
Frankly, I have trouble believing that you don’t understand the difference here and are making your argument in good faith.
Let’s back up to what I replied to in the first place:
You don’t have to trust anybody
I even took the time to quote that, because it’s important.
Of course there are different levels of trust. But what you said is flatly wrong and misinformation, if you want to get technical about it. Arguing in bad faith? I beg your fucking pardon, friend.
Just becuase it’s less likely to find nefarious code in open source doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There ahve been multiple cases of it found in open source code. Blindly trusting something because it’s open source or you host it on your own server is a very very false sense of security, especially in the context of the larger discussion, which came about in regard to what information is exposed by certain messaging clients.
It’s also a matter of the importance of what you’re doing.
I wrote a little CRUD app a while back to track me giving my cat medication. I sanitized inputs, but I left it open without a login on my server, just an obscure URL that didn’t get published anywhere. All you could do was click a button to indicate the cat had been medicated, or another button to delete the latest entry. That was plenty of security for that. If I was writing a banking app, I’d use a bit more.
So yes, in the same way as that, hosting something you use to chat with friends about whatever is one thing; trying to communicate secretly from a country where your comms might lead to being put to death is quite another. And in the latter case, it’s important to know that no matter what you use, unless you wrote it or read all the source code, you are trusting others with your life. Perhaps you feel comfortable doing that, but you should be aware of it.
So no, this is not a discussion in bad faith at all, it is valuable on multiple levels.
Sure… and my point is that you have to trust those services that aren’t hosted in the USA. It’s a choice you have to make. I’m not judging either way, just pointing out because what I responded to in the comment to which I replied was:
The problem is that you just have to trust them
Which is true of open source unless you read the code and can verify nothing nefarious exists; which is true if you use a service in a country you trust; which is true no matter what you’re doing.
Not all entities are deserving of the same level of trust - some are more trustworthy than others - but you are still making a decision to trust someone unless you write the code yourself or verify the code yourself.[1]
And had the capability and time to do so ↩︎
But again, you either read the source to confirm there’s nothing nefarious, or… you trust the programmers.
Which is not a problem, but it is a choice to trust. All I’m pointing out. :)
You don’t have to trust anybody when you run your own server,
You have to trust the people that wrote the code.
or you use a server that doesn’t collect information it has no business collecting.
Again, you’re trusting the authors of the code.
Which is fine, but it’s a choice to trust them.
And that is the problem with anything you don’t write yourself. And for anything you do write yourself: Are you smarter than the three-letter agencies?
Europe isn’t immune either, by any means.
Feel rare to hear that expressed, but one of the side effects of our fall into fascism is that, like you say - we make for a good case study, and if it woke Europeans up a bit and that fall doesn’t happen over there, so much the better.
It definitely is a reminder that we cannot take democracy for granted. It is a constant struggle. And letting the oligarchs “play” with their Fox News lies and right-wing radio… that experiment shows that fascism and authoritarianism must be stamped out and not allowed to thrive as an “equal voice”.
haha, oh man. That actually reminds me. I know I mentioned the wiki thing - this is me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_v._Eiland-Hall
Basically, back in 2009, I created glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com. It was largely in response to Glenn Beck’s stupid technique of interviewing people - like to our first sitting Muslim member of Congress: “Now, I wouldn’t say this, but some people are asking: Are you working for our enemies?” - to an elected member of Congress!
Of course, this was back in the Muslim-scare days after 9/11 still in 2009… and now we definitely have people in Congress working for our enemies.
But anyway. So the parody site.
My wife found a forum where some idiots were trying to track me down. I mean, my real name and address was out there, but they were looking for more information about me and the site. They were talking about what organizations must be funding this attack on their beloved Beck.
There was controversy at the time because an orgnization called ACORN was trying to get people to register to vote and supposedly signing up on behalf of people. IIRC the allegations were either bullshit or it wasn’t a big deal or maybe it was and it was dealt with. All I remember for sure is that I thought it would be hilarious to offer these chucklefucks “evidence” for their conspiracies.
So I went out and copied the raw HTML from a 404 page on the ACORN website and made that the custom 404 page for my site. An then, to help these idiots “find” it, I made a “mistake” - I announced something on the main page and linked to a page that supposedly had the full story, only I intentionally put a typo in the link so the 404 page would come up. lol.
Oh, man, they went N U T S over in the forum “HOLY SHIT ITS ACORN BEHIND THIS” lolololol…
But anyway, your gif absolutely reminded me of those morons. That’s how I envisioned their “hacking” of me. lol
Shut up, Anthony.
(in case your name happens to actually be Anthony, I did pick it at pseudo-random jsut for a stupid joke!)
Too late for me, I’ve been Daychilde since 1996, didn’t keep it separate from my real name, and I’m on wikipedia, so it’s trivial to find me. lol.
The good is that I can report that it’s pretty safe to have an open identity. So far. heh
faiver
do me a faiver, guv? lol
Maybe it’s just me but in this age of MAGA proposing attacking blue urban areas, I find this joke less funny. :/ Sorry.
they don’t have a choice
Please forgive me for quoting myself from elsewhere:
The problem is that you respect and believe in words. The people currently in charge could give two fucks. Ultimately, words only have the power that we give them, so when those in charge ignore the Constitution, then the Contitution has no power.
[snip]
In the same way, there are rules and decorum and traditions in politics and revolve around the Constution and various bodies of legislature, et cetera. And so there’s nothing that ACTUALLY forces anyone to follow any of that except voluntary compliance or physical threat because policing bodies enforce things.
This is why the rich are free, largely, from most crimes. They aren’t enforced. And this is how our democracy crumbled. The Constitution hasn’t been repealed. It doesn’t have to be. It is simply ignored. Worse, those who claim to follow it shit on it and ignore it and throw it out.
So I’m afraid they do have a choice in the same way they have ignored due process and habeas corpus, as one tiny example.
Back in the 80s, my dad worked with telephone testing equipment and had reason to bring home a DecTalk. I spent so much time fucking around with that thing. Typing things like “sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit” was so hilarious. I’d write entire scripts.
I guess the tech is to the point now where I could lose days to it now. lol.