Respect freedom of people who respect yours. Help each other. Fight together against those who try to take it away.
Just checked my battery usage by app.
SimpleX has the first place with 35%, with the next app being the browser with mere 12% :/
The punch line? I’m not even using SimpleX, it’s just installed on my phone because there were a few chats I wanted to join.
Unless it’s auditted and open source then you should assume its spyware.
I do. I use Matrix and recommend it to all my friends.
“Telegram is spyware” was not the original thesis I replied to, it was about “operated by the enemy”.
Sure, what exactly would you like to have a proof for?
I know, right? I was also shocked when I discovered that it’s not just the evil-evil Russia who does the propaganda thing! :)
Is anything I’ve said a lie though? Or maybe misinformation? Or maybe I’m manipulating facts? Or maybe “Russian talking-points” is how you label inconvenient truth that you are not willing to accept? :)
Debunk what I’ve said, show everyone that I’m just a Russian propagandist (or even better - a bot) spreading lies and deceptions!
Ah yeah right, why do that if calling someone a “Russian larper” is a good enough argument for some folks… :)
Thanks, that was an interesting read :)
Of course it doesn’t prove anything (especially that Telegram sends any information about Ukrainians to Russian government!), but at least those allegations indeed have more credibility than the usual “Russia bad”. It also doesn’t say anything about Durov doing something because he had financial problems. And what it definitely doesn’t say is that “Telegram is operated by Russia”.
Yeah, I hear this quite often :)
Every Ukrainian who doesnt want to die for Zelensky is a Russian, yeah yeah yeah heard that one more times than I can count.
Cheers :)
What gives those rumors credibility other than “Russia bad”?
If you have links to some sources with some facts - I’d very much like to read them
Russia literally wants Ukraine wiped out and yet the idiots unable to change an app on their phone because “network effects and habit”
The thing with Zelensky’s propaganda is that externally (with people familiar with the situation only from CNN (or whever you get your information from…)) it works an order of magnitude better than internally… :)
So “idiots” use Telegram because not only they see no threat in it (why would they?), but also because it helps to avoid the very real threat of “lawful mobilization actions” by the government.
Imagine entire country using coms software operated by the enemy.
Do I get it right that you know that
and still somehow make a conclusion that “it is operated by the enemy” (assuming that by enemy you mean Russian government)? I’d like to learn more about this logic :)
but the government is worried that the app is being used as a method of disinformation
Yeah, disinformation…
People just share too many videos of brutal kidnappings and beating of people in broad daylight lawful mobilization actions by conscription officers there.
And what’s even worse, people warn each other about the places where such lawful mobilization actions are taking place today, so that others can avoid them.
Unthinkable, right?
Pointing out their hypocrisy will not help anybody.
I choose to, perhaps naively, think that some people might actually recognize how absurd this is, and hopefully change their opinion :)
The best you can do is sit down and watch this comedy from the sidelines.
Just “watching comedy from the sidelines” can result in one day waking up in a totalitarian hell :/
(Not that my shitposting will change much of course :/)
Yeah, so just as I said - good guys banning social medias is good because they are the good guys protecting the democracy against bad people and so on, and bad guys banning social medias is bad because they are the bad guys censoring the truth from oppressed people or something.
No hypocrisy here :)
Let me guess, you think Russia/China/etc. banning websites is bad (because obviously they are doing it due to being authoriatarian regimes and to not let people learn the truth), and EU (or generally any western country) banning websites is good (because obviously it would be done to protect democracy and people from consuming dangerous misinformation)?
Did I miss anything? :)
So Putin is better for Ukraine?
For Ukraine - I don’t know what “Putin for Ukraine” means… If Ukraine would be Putin’s then it probably wouldn’t be Ukraine but Russia (unless Putin would be a president of both countries or something…)? I don’t think it would be good or bad, Ukraine existing or not doesn’t change much IMHO, but I’m open to hearing your arguments here.
For Ukrainians - of course! The shit that Zelensky does to Ukrainians is exactly (and even worse than) what the west scares public Putin would do. Ukrainians on liberated territories(controlled by Putin) have way more freedoms than those on territories controlled by Zelensky’s regime, including one of the most basic freedoms - freedom of movement and not being kidnapped on a street and be sent to die…
Thank you.
You mean funding the arms that Ukraine is using to defend itself?
Yes, sending weapons and money to Zelensky’s regime, which lets him to continue staying in power and terorrize Ukrainians by forbidding people to leave the country and kidnapping them from the streets to send them to the meatgrinder.
What makes you think that ending Russia’s horrifying invasion is more likely under a trump-ruled USA?
Because dems have been funding this war since the beginning, and would certainly continue to do so? I think Harris explicitly said that she will continue the war (or something along those lines).
Trump said that he is going to finish it by forcing both sides to negotiate. (Yes yes I know, every politician’s main job is lying. But when one person says that they will definitely kill everybody I know continuing the job of their predecessor, and the second one at least promises that they will not, whatever credibility that promise has in your opinion - I’m choosing the second one)
No, I meant Ukraine as a country could surrender.
Well, it just so happens that I care more about people, actual living humans, their lives, and not countries.
I believe kidnapping citizens to fight is basically an express draft.
I believe kidnapping people and sending them to die is kidnapping people and sending them to die.
Not that this conversation matters. Neither of our opinions matter.
Well, that’s true I guess. Like most/all of the “battles” in comments. I just don’t think there is something more I can do to stop Zelensky terrorizing people, other than try to convince randos on the internet to stop supporting his regime :(
Trump will stop support
I sure hope so, this is the only (realistic) outcome where my family and friends and every other Ukrainian survive.
will becomes west Russia
I don’t think so, that’s just a scarecrow the west is using to continue the war.
I’m sure they will be kidnapped off the streets and drafted to go fight another war somewhere
I’m sure they didn’t treat Ukranians poorly
Well, now Russia definitely does treat us better though. Those who are in the liberated cities are the lucky ones who can freely move around.
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