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@[email protected] Linux itself is heavily using AI models. Therefore, every Linux distribution moving to recent kernel versions is heavily built on top of using AI models. Creating a Linux distribution not heavily using it would require a hard fork of the Linux kernel and many other projects. It's unclear what would be accomplished by banning AI for a tiny portion of the code while continuing to use Linux, AOSP, Chromium and hundreds of other projects heavily using it. We'd still be benefiting from it.

GrapheneOS is currently defending its use of AI coding tools on Mastodon against complaints by various accounts claiming to be users.

We do not understand where you’re coming from or why you’re so incredibly angry with us. It’s not justified and does not make sense.

  • droopy4096@lemmy.caEnglish
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    11 days ago

    OSS projects have already started to recognize that LLM is just a tool and how you use that tool matters a lot more than whether you are using said tool at all. Lets bring StackOverflow for analogy: we didn’t ban browsers for code development because one can navigate to StackOverflow and copy-paste some really crappy code. LLMs are SO on steroids (actually trained on SO topics). So grabbing LLM to get a sense of direction or shape is an OK use in general, but copy-pasting it’s results blindly is silly and dangerous.

    There’s a second argument that AI is ruining OSS communities which I believe is true, but refusing to accept AI code is a self-defeating action. Why? Because AI training needs unadulterated source of knowledge, one not tainted with AI and OSS communities rejecting AI would be that source. Also: if OSS community did not use AI it would hardly stop it from continuing it’s growth in Enterprise. So there’s not much of a winning strategy there either.

    Which brings us to GrapheneOS decision and given above reasons I think it’s a well-balanced decision.

    • Spice Hoarder@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Yeah, just one small problem, muchacho. Whenever a language recieves a breaking change you gotta retrain the model again, and a lot of your references are useless now. There is no “improving” it’s just a vicious cycle.

      Your argument is that of peer pressure and not compelling.

      “Join us or we’ll just steal your code anyway”

      Here’s my rebuttal. Garbage in, garbage out. Most projects out there are trash. This tool doesn’t help you build good code, it helps you throw together a pile of trash. An actually helpful LLM would be one trained on the damn language itself and coding best practices. Almost everyone has lost the plot here. You DON’T want a massive LLM, the small specialized ones are good enough. So you can use it as auto complete, like the tech was intended.

      • droopy4096@lemmy.caEnglish
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        10 days ago

        You’ve made a few of erroneous conjectures which are orthogonal to my argument. But I’ll call out one: LLM is bad at code completion and it’s use not have to be limited to (final) code writing. Thus my theses on “what” vs “how”

        • SHY_TUCKER@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          7 days ago

          Give me a break. Put down the thesaurus. You are the reason LLMs are so.useful. because, as one searches for a solution to the update that borked one’s servers, we find that 4 out of 5 forum threads on the topic devolve into jerks weaving unhelpful riddles, smelling their own farts and feeling superior.

    • Kynn@jlai.luEnglish
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      9 days ago

      You can achieve wealth and happiness way faster if you rob all other countries of their resources. But if it is feasible, must it still be done ?

      Kind of the same thing with LLM. It’s not because you can that you should.

      As you said, LLM is killing OS communities. It’s preventing people from working together, now they are all “I don’t need you, I can do it my way all alone”, and you get 50 clones or similar softwares, which aren’t finely tuned since it’s all LLM.

      As you didn’t say, LLM has a huge impact on the planet, it costs a lot of electricity, it uses clean water which it evaporates in data center, but we don’t care because guess what, we have it in our hands and it’s so much fun to use ! And well, we ourselves are not responsible for the planet’s state, it’s the big bad company that create LLM, I’m just using it because otherwise, the other will do so !

      What’s next ? After coding our own little games and softwares alone and ultra-quickly I mean.

      Who pays the bills ? Who will pay the next one, and where is humanity going ? Not sure I want to know.

      AI Searchers are quitting their jobs being scared of what they enabled Companies are being hacked by LLM without control People are losing their jobs because of LLM (and I think those are not the ones using LLM in the OS Community, because oh, the irony it would be)

      Society clearly isn’t ready for any of this, and saying “don’t care” doesn’t make it fine.

      Edit : this is cleary not on or against you, I’m simply expressing my frustration on this subject with arguments and examples I hope should make people realize things x)