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So let’s go with that analogy shall we? What is the winning move in a restaurant that only serves poop or sand?
It’s not to order the sand - it’s to tell them that you won’t eat there at all until they offer good food.
The democrats won’t change while we keep electing their right-wing ghouls. They need to learn that we will sit it out until they run actual ethical candidates.
So let’s go with that analogy shall we? What is the winning move in a restaurant that only serves poop or sand? It’s not to order the sand - it’s to tell them that you won’t eat there at all until they offer good food.
Ah, so youre a “If I don’t participate in how the driver drives this bus, I will be safe when it is driven off the cliff” type.
To the metaphor, You must eat at the restaurant. Not eating at the restaurant physically cannot happen. Until enough people consistently vote to eat sand, the 50/50 flip between sand and poop will continue to go on unimpeded. Once sand wins consistently enough, paper will be offered. Once paper wins often enough, salads will be offered.
Actually I don’t have to eat at the restaurant. As much as the restaurant would like to give the impression that there is no choice except genocide, that is not true. The only winning move is to force them to change the menu. Not eating there is the only way to do this. Let’s be real - salad will never be offered while they know they can sell you sand or shit.
Let’s look at this the other way - why are you so hostile to the idea of a restaurant that serves real food?
As an occupant of Earth, you are affected by US politics. Multiply that by a hundred times if you are an Americanunited statesian.
The only winning move is to force them to change the menu.
Which is not accomplished by encouraging voter apathy, as you have done this entire thread (and even without glancing at your comment history, is probably a core part of your personality/modus operandi).
Not eating there is the only way to do this.
Then fire yourself into fucking space, because that’s the only way you’re avoiding the consequences of US elections (and as a benefit, the rest of us won’t be dragged into fascism by your encouraging people not to vote against MAGA).
You are confusing living with the results of a restaurant environment that only serves shit, with ordering off their menus.
Answer me this - if it is SO important that we defeat the shit serving restaurant that you want me to order sand - why is it so inconceivable to you that the democrats might consider serving real food? If the consequences of not voting are so severe why is the only option that is off the table for you running candidates who serve real food?
It seems very odd to me that that is the one thing you think is beyond the pale. Doesn’t it seem to strange to you?
Let’s hope that in 2028 the democrats realize that the only way to attract customers is to serve real food. Come on - you can do it to stop fascism!
You are confusing living with the results of a restaurant environment that only serves shit, with ordering off their menus.
No I’m not. In the metaphor, votes are votes, and consuming the food is living with the consequences of US elections. You’re the one whose mental-gymnastics/naivete decided you can live on Earth and not be affected by US elections.
Answer me this - if it is SO important that we defeat the shit serving restaurant that you want me to order sand - why is it so inconceivable to you that the democrats might consider serving real food? If the consequences of not voting are so severe why is the only option that is off the table for you running candidates who serve real food?
I never said it was; you’re straw-manning me.
It seems very odd to me that that is the one thing you think is beyond the pale. Doesn’t it seem to strange to you?
It’s not a straw man. I have told you I will not vote for a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul. Your position is that I must in order to ‘stop fascism’. You continue to side-step the idea of why it is unreasonable to expect the democrats to run an option that is not a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul - why they can’t be expected to serve anything but sand. You don’t think there is any correlation between them insisting on only serving sand and people refusing to eat / vote for them.
I think you are deeply confused.
I have told you I will not vote for a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul.
You have. This is an irrelevant bit to prove you are not straw-manning me, though.
Your position is that I must in order to ‘stop fascism’.
Technically it’s that (encouraging people to) sit out elections rather than voting for a Lesser Evil is enabling MAGA/facism, but close enough to the point of splitting hairs and pedantry.
You continue to side-step the idea of why it is unreasonable to expect the democrats to run an option that is not a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul - why they can’t be expected to serve anything but sand.
No I don’t. You haven’t even introduced it until the most recent comment, and I addressed it. I’ll expand to make you more comfortable, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable to essentially treat you like a fool for not realizing it’s a belief I hold:
Yes, the Democrats have failed to introduce strong enough candidates to be hugely better than MAGA in every way. They are the sand in the metaphor.
You are implying I think eating sand is good or that serving sand is good, which is either an insult to my intelligence, an indicator of your poor intelligence, or a sign you are participating in this discussion in bad faith. I’m leaning #3, but I admit that’s just a guess.
Look - I don’t think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire.
I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals. If we vote for them just because the alternative is a little bit worse, we will literally never get progress. Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already.
The ONLY way to create real change is to let the democrats know that they will not win until they offer candidates who are committed to real change.
So let’s go with that analogy shall we? What is the winning move in a restaurant that only serves poop or sand? It’s not to order the sand - it’s to tell them that you won’t eat there at all until they offer good food. The democrats won’t change while we keep electing their right-wing ghouls. They need to learn that we will sit it out until they run actual ethical candidates.
Ah, so youre a “If I don’t participate in how the driver drives this bus, I will be safe when it is driven off the cliff” type.
To the metaphor, You must eat at the restaurant. Not eating at the restaurant physically cannot happen. Until enough people consistently vote to eat sand, the 50/50 flip between sand and poop will continue to go on unimpeded. Once sand wins consistently enough, paper will be offered. Once paper wins often enough, salads will be offered.
Actually I don’t have to eat at the restaurant. As much as the restaurant would like to give the impression that there is no choice except genocide, that is not true. The only winning move is to force them to change the menu. Not eating there is the only way to do this. Let’s be real - salad will never be offered while they know they can sell you sand or shit. Let’s look at this the other way - why are you so hostile to the idea of a restaurant that serves real food?
You literally do.
As an occupant of Earth, you are affected by US politics. Multiply that by a hundred times if you are a
n Americanunited statesian.Which is not accomplished by encouraging voter apathy, as you have done this entire thread (and even without glancing at your comment history, is probably a core part of your personality/modus operandi).
Then fire yourself into fucking space, because that’s the only way you’re avoiding the consequences of US elections (and as a benefit, the rest of us won’t be dragged into fascism by your encouraging people not to vote against MAGA).
You are confusing living with the results of a restaurant environment that only serves shit, with ordering off their menus. Answer me this - if it is SO important that we defeat the shit serving restaurant that you want me to order sand - why is it so inconceivable to you that the democrats might consider serving real food? If the consequences of not voting are so severe why is the only option that is off the table for you running candidates who serve real food? It seems very odd to me that that is the one thing you think is beyond the pale. Doesn’t it seem to strange to you? Let’s hope that in 2028 the democrats realize that the only way to attract customers is to serve real food. Come on - you can do it to stop fascism!
No I’m not. In the metaphor, votes are votes, and consuming the food is living with the consequences of US elections. You’re the one whose mental-gymnastics/naivete decided you can live on Earth and not be affected by US elections.
I never said it was; you’re straw-manning me.
I agree, your straw-man is very strange.
It’s not a straw man. I have told you I will not vote for a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul. Your position is that I must in order to ‘stop fascism’. You continue to side-step the idea of why it is unreasonable to expect the democrats to run an option that is not a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul - why they can’t be expected to serve anything but sand. You don’t think there is any correlation between them insisting on only serving sand and people refusing to eat / vote for them. I think you are deeply confused.
It is.
You have. This is an irrelevant bit to prove you are not straw-manning me, though.
Technically it’s that (encouraging people to) sit out elections rather than voting for a Lesser Evil is enabling MAGA/facism, but close enough to the point of splitting hairs and pedantry.
No I don’t. You haven’t even introduced it until the most recent comment, and I addressed it. I’ll expand to make you more comfortable, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable to essentially treat you like a fool for not realizing it’s a belief I hold:
Yes, the Democrats have failed to introduce strong enough candidates to be hugely better than MAGA in every way. They are the sand in the metaphor.
You are implying I think eating sand is good or that serving sand is good, which is either an insult to my intelligence, an indicator of your poor intelligence, or a sign you are participating in this discussion in bad faith. I’m leaning #3, but I admit that’s just a guess.
Look - I don’t think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire. I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals. If we vote for them just because the alternative is a little bit worse, we will literally never get progress. Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already. The ONLY way to create real change is to let the democrats know that they will not win until they offer candidates who are committed to real change.