Well, I guess I envy your experience having never witnessed rules and laws being arbitrarily weaponized against people. It definitely does happen, you kind of just have to actually be examining it. Generally if you interrogate the keepers of such rules like policemen or customs staff, they will say the opposite of you. That they do enforce all rules impartially, or they would if they weren’t restrained by zealous oversight.
What? I’m not saying that rules and laws are never weaponized. I’m saying that this is not the reason why some social norms are not enforced. “Not using phones on trains” rules already exist. There are stickers in most public transport that say this. All examples I gave already exists as laws. Clearly the worry is not that if you create laws prohibiting those things they will be weaponized. Because those laws already exist. Enforcement is the issue and it comes down to resources and priorities. From the perspective of an average citizen laws that are weaponized are still not effectively enforced.
Mm. No I get it. You just haven’t seen how humans act when that environment is taken to situations on the farthest spectrum of conditions.
Or maybe I haven’t seen places that do enforce the full letter of their rules act truly equitable to marginalized people without any bias. I’m kind of a jaded motherfucker and won’t really accept the possibility unless I witness somebody in that kind of environment actually handle that responsibility ethically. We’ve been pretty unspecific about cultures and locations, could you recommend a place for me to examine so I could at least try to picture what this would even look like?
I gave you very specific example: phones on planes. Are you saying that those rules discriminate marginalized people? Have you seen a lot of white people on the phone on a plane while minorities are being dragged out by security? I have not seen anyone talking on the phone on a plane and I traveled all over Europe. So I guess go to Europe and examine how flight crews handle their responsibility.
Well, I guess I envy your experience having never witnessed rules and laws being arbitrarily weaponized against people. It definitely does happen, you kind of just have to actually be examining it. Generally if you interrogate the keepers of such rules like policemen or customs staff, they will say the opposite of you. That they do enforce all rules impartially, or they would if they weren’t restrained by zealous oversight.
What? I’m not saying that rules and laws are never weaponized. I’m saying that this is not the reason why some social norms are not enforced. “Not using phones on trains” rules already exist. There are stickers in most public transport that say this. All examples I gave already exists as laws. Clearly the worry is not that if you create laws prohibiting those things they will be weaponized. Because those laws already exist. Enforcement is the issue and it comes down to resources and priorities. From the perspective of an average citizen laws that are weaponized are still not effectively enforced.
Mm. No I get it. You just haven’t seen how humans act when that environment is taken to situations on the farthest spectrum of conditions.
Or maybe I haven’t seen places that do enforce the full letter of their rules act truly equitable to marginalized people without any bias. I’m kind of a jaded motherfucker and won’t really accept the possibility unless I witness somebody in that kind of environment actually handle that responsibility ethically. We’ve been pretty unspecific about cultures and locations, could you recommend a place for me to examine so I could at least try to picture what this would even look like?
I gave you very specific example: phones on planes. Are you saying that those rules discriminate marginalized people? Have you seen a lot of white people on the phone on a plane while minorities are being dragged out by security? I have not seen anyone talking on the phone on a plane and I traveled all over Europe. So I guess go to Europe and examine how flight crews handle their responsibility.