It doesn’t need to be nukes. Hydro, solar, wind, and any other mix of power sources is fine, including fossil fuels as an alternative should it be a cloudy, windless week.
Wtf are you talking about? No, any usage of planet-warming compounds for the benefit of creating Twitter incel AI-gen CSAM and TikTok slop videos is unacceptable. Even use of renewables is largely unacceptable, considering the materials (lithium, cobalt, etc) usually entail environmental degradation at best and outright child slavery at worst.
All of those things are foam on the water, the leftover gpu cycles after the bills are paid. No one is spending this kind of money on cat videos.
Our customers are doing biochem/pharma work. Mega-multivariable analysis. There is a big push for a model that can control the innards of a fusion reactor in realtime.
And good for you for minimizing your carbon footprint, but it’s still “fuck humans” in general.
We both see that there are large ongoing issues, with bad actors. Elon spending a gazillion dollars for zero cash return is a symptom of his moral destitution, not the usefulness of AI. However painting the world with a broad brush does nothing for improving the world. Bad behavior needs to be punished, while promoting the good.
Leave it to an AI cultist to equate slop-generation carbon footprint with the carbon footprint of actual lifeforms 🤡 Fuck outta here with that bullshit. Fuck your AI.
I pointed to your logical fallacy. Do you see how?
Then you made an ad hominem.
All you’ve demonstrated is your desire to muddy the water.
Would you believe that I see the Luddites had a valid point? The mills were being irresponsible by taking a pure capitalist approach without any social awareness? My company builds more public power infrastructure than it uses, leaving the local community with more electrical capacity than before. Generally by a factor of 2. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. We don’t build open loop cooling. We don’t build near residential areas. We believe that being irresponsible is not an option. Do we make the news? Of course not, that story doesn’t sell.
Still missing heat increase, up to 26°F in the surrounding area. All that heat from the gpus and cpus is a lot. I’ve heard of people using their gpus to heat their apartments.
On this particular topic, the more red tape the better. These companies are shady and will find any loophole available to circumvent any protection the current laws are meant to provide.
That’s how you end up getting republicans elected into local office: by putting up unnecessary or complicated barriers.
Additionally, I believe we’ll be in a really bad situation in the next 10-25 years in regards to access to advanced CPUs. The more we onboard now the more we’ll have later.
It’s also a concern of national security if we put up enough barriers that people and companies put their resources in datacenters in other countries that can’t defend them against attack.
Per itar regulations, government data already has to live in the US. They will never change that law in order to store it in another country’s DC.
And putting barriers on multi bullion dollar businesses is not the same as putting it on citizens. People aren’t going to vote a Republican because of regulations on a DC that makes the neighborhood quieter and cleaner, stops excessive water consumption for cooling, and forces them to build their own power infrastructure. They will vote Republican for a million other dumb AF reasons, including a conservative taking head telling them regulations are bad for DCs, but they won’t do it because of those reasons. They won’t even know what those reasons are
“Leftist lunatics tie up small business development!!!” It’s dumb but it works. I live in an area like this.
I’m not talking about government data, I’m talking about businesses. Securing corp data and service availability it’s just as important. Just think how many companies would go under if a datacenter was droned. The 2nd level impact of a mass email outage or payment processing going offline would put employees out of work.
Business data doesn’t require the mega datacenters that are all compute for AI. Those types of datacenters won’t have the same issues with infrastructure for power and closed loop systems. If they do, they’ll figure it out because they have the money to do so. Someone will build them. DCs that have storage and racks for cloud compute are in a different category.
I agree and mentioned that talking heads will spin regulations in a way that convinces their idiotic base that there’s an issue. It’s not the regulations that are the problem, it’s the media. But the thing is, If it’s not regulations, it will be something else. It will be just as nonsensical, but something will fill that gap. Might as well do something good if the propaganda is gonna flow anyway.
I try to be realistic. I dream of having every thing perfect to my liking but then I look at my neighbors and understand that we have to live together somehow.
It’s pretty easy to regulate this:
Closed loop is absolutely the right answer, and easily regulated.
As to your other two points, the answer is obvious. Nuclear.
It doesn’t need to be nukes. Hydro, solar, wind, and any other mix of power sources is fine, including fossil fuels as an alternative should it be a cloudy, windless week.
Hydro is limited by geography, and wind and solar requires a metric fuck ton of oil to produce and replace at EOL. You want clean, you want nukes.
You say that like building a nuclear plant won’t require the metric fuckton of oil to build and replace at eol.
EOL for a nuke plant in measured in centuries. Refueling measured in decades. Wind turbines have end of life somewhere between 5 and 10 years.
Wtf are you talking about? No, any usage of planet-warming compounds for the benefit of creating Twitter incel AI-gen CSAM and TikTok slop videos is unacceptable. Even use of renewables is largely unacceptable, considering the materials (lithium, cobalt, etc) usually entail environmental degradation at best and outright child slavery at worst.
All of those things are foam on the water, the leftover gpu cycles after the bills are paid. No one is spending this kind of money on cat videos.
Our customers are doing biochem/pharma work. Mega-multivariable analysis. There is a big push for a model that can control the innards of a fusion reactor in realtime.
Who said “cat videos”? I said incel slop and CSAM. That’s literally mostly what Grok is used for.
Good for your customers for being the exception and using it for something that matters, but it’s still “fuck AI” in general.
They this on…
And good for you for minimizing your carbon footprint, but it’s still “fuck humans” in general.
We both see that there are large ongoing issues, with bad actors. Elon spending a gazillion dollars for zero cash return is a symptom of his moral destitution, not the usefulness of AI. However painting the world with a broad brush does nothing for improving the world. Bad behavior needs to be punished, while promoting the good.
Leave it to an AI cultist to equate slop-generation carbon footprint with the carbon footprint of actual lifeforms 🤡 Fuck outta here with that bullshit. Fuck your AI.
I pointed to your logical fallacy. Do you see how?
Then you made an ad hominem.
All you’ve demonstrated is your desire to muddy the water.
Would you believe that I see the Luddites had a valid point? The mills were being irresponsible by taking a pure capitalist approach without any social awareness? My company builds more public power infrastructure than it uses, leaving the local community with more electrical capacity than before. Generally by a factor of 2. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. We don’t build open loop cooling. We don’t build near residential areas. We believe that being irresponsible is not an option. Do we make the news? Of course not, that story doesn’t sell.
I’d say your list is a bit too short. Some more considerations (not comprehensive):
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Still missing heat increase, up to 26°F in the surrounding area. All that heat from the gpus and cpus is a lot. I’ve heard of people using their gpus to heat their apartments.
Datacenters aren’t responsible for workers displaced by automation.
Construction and noise aren’t special to datacenters and don’t need special regulation.
On this particular topic, the more red tape the better. These companies are shady and will find any loophole available to circumvent any protection the current laws are meant to provide.
That’s how you end up getting republicans elected into local office: by putting up unnecessary or complicated barriers.
Additionally, I believe we’ll be in a really bad situation in the next 10-25 years in regards to access to advanced CPUs. The more we onboard now the more we’ll have later.
It’s also a concern of national security if we put up enough barriers that people and companies put their resources in datacenters in other countries that can’t defend them against attack.
Per itar regulations, government data already has to live in the US. They will never change that law in order to store it in another country’s DC.
And putting barriers on multi bullion dollar businesses is not the same as putting it on citizens. People aren’t going to vote a Republican because of regulations on a DC that makes the neighborhood quieter and cleaner, stops excessive water consumption for cooling, and forces them to build their own power infrastructure. They will vote Republican for a million other dumb AF reasons, including a conservative taking head telling them regulations are bad for DCs, but they won’t do it because of those reasons. They won’t even know what those reasons are
“Leftist lunatics tie up small business development!!!” It’s dumb but it works. I live in an area like this.
I’m not talking about government data, I’m talking about businesses. Securing corp data and service availability it’s just as important. Just think how many companies would go under if a datacenter was droned. The 2nd level impact of a mass email outage or payment processing going offline would put employees out of work.
Business data doesn’t require the mega datacenters that are all compute for AI. Those types of datacenters won’t have the same issues with infrastructure for power and closed loop systems. If they do, they’ll figure it out because they have the money to do so. Someone will build them. DCs that have storage and racks for cloud compute are in a different category.
I agree and mentioned that talking heads will spin regulations in a way that convinces their idiotic base that there’s an issue. It’s not the regulations that are the problem, it’s the media. But the thing is, If it’s not regulations, it will be something else. It will be just as nonsensical, but something will fill that gap. Might as well do something good if the propaganda is gonna flow anyway.
you like boot huh
I need to switch to voyager so I can tag you as “likes boot”
Mmmm pleather 🤤
I try to be realistic. I dream of having every thing perfect to my liking but then I look at my neighbors and understand that we have to live together somehow.
What type of generation are you envisioning here? What type of cooling systems?