What are equal or better replacements for their software suite: email, vpn, cloud storage, password manager, AI?
All of the advice I give depends on your preferred level of privacy. If I had to give you all of these services in 1 provider I’d suggest Infomaniak, a Swiss tech company. https://www.infomaniak.com/en/ksuite/kdrive VPN: Mullvad (it collects less data from the user, even) Email: not sure about this. I never used Proton Mail since it didn’t work for me with IMAP protocols by design. Password Manager: Bitwarden or self-hosted Vaultwarden AI: I use DuckDuckGo’s Duck.ai interface, although I’m not entirely sure if that measures up to the privacy standard you need.
Depends on what you need. Tuta for Mail is great. If you’d like to self host password managers, stuff like Keepass/Vaultwarden/Bitwarden. You can also choose to pay for Bitwarden if you’d prefer a managed infrastructure. The only AI I’m familiar with that has some level of self respect is Mistral with Le Chat. Not familiar with VPN/Cloud storage.
Yeah lets cancel and move to m$ or google.
/s
No one on this sub understands sarcasm?
I have seen already on reddit that that
Was thinking of switching after the BS from last year. My subscription ended this month and I’ve finally finished changing my services. Also did not want everything in one basket.
Finally migrated to Proton in July, cancelled yesterday; had paid for the full year but have already started moving.
I was so happy to be supporting a company I believed in and was looking forward to the services getting better and better… Then the crap started to kick off: re-interviews for all, with us or against us mentality, cancelling the re-interviews, doubling-down and insulting your team, behaving like a petulant child. Then Bart posted the tone-deaf AI manifesto…and that seems to be it so far…
I get that AI is here, I get that the cat is out of the bag. It’s fair to suggest that it is no longer possible to not use AI in the codeflow… For me this less about AI=good/Bad, more about attitude and behaviour; and how that shapes the ethos.
Where are you moving to?
I started building a homelab a few years back. Levelling-up my Linux knowledge and succeeding with dockers and VMs on the NAS but not, until now, on dedicated hardware. It’s currently functional-with-bumps, but the WAN at home is a 10 year old neurotic DSL with only 120Mbit/50Mbit. So not fast-fast/24-7. Remote access is via Tailscale. Good for Calendar, Notes, and (potentially, if and when the “Error when trying to connect (Bad healthcheck status)” thing is resolved) Office. So it currently, for me, is a kind of proof of concept:
That I can, in fact, host my own services on my own hardware and retain total control over all of my data therein.
Will probably get a mini ITX somethingorother or a used Thinkcentre within the next week or two; plonk Nextcloud AIO in a Proxmox thingy/VM and get that running well locally before migrating it to a dedicated off-site, probably Hetzner. The off-site then eventually becomes the production, with the local for dev and testing before pushing.
I could even take the time to do Pen-testing, for example, but access would be exclusively via Tailscale/Wireshark anyway - so no internet facing TCP services at all.
New users (family or friends), would access exclusively via Tailscale/Wireshark.
While I digress, my point is that I ultimately want a solution that is not fucking Google. is not fucking Google indicates that my options are, and ultimate choice is, based purely on trust.
Proton are offering exactly and precisely what I want and need!! :
“A better internet starts with privacy and freedom” “Trusted by over 100 million users and organizations” “Communicate and browse. Privately.” “Store, share, collaborate. Securely.”
It’s simple! The interfaces are simple! Great VPN. Reliable Password manager. Works perfectly on all my devices. The office bits and the calendar are simple; kind of like a polished Google Documents from twenty years ago. They’re not as functional as any of my other officey things; in a quirky but sometimes annoying way; but I didn’t mind at all because:
I trusted and believed in the core ethos of Proton.
Great products. Perfect offer. Trust.
Andy’s abhorrent behaviour, and the way this whole fuckup has been absurdly non-handled with a total lack of responsibility, completely destroyed my trust. Pretty damn fast too. Sorry for the rant but I’m so so tired of it all and it pissed me off.
To answer your question:
- Passwords: Bitwarden > Vault Warden
- VPN: No idea yet
- Nextcloud AIO
- WeTransfer for large transfers
I trust the fractured services and self-hosting more now.
What about you?
All you have to do as a CEO is shut the fuck up and let your product do the talking. The less I hear about your shit views the more likely I am to stay with your product.
The issue is to become a successful CEO you tend to have to believe your own lies and very quickly surround yourself with sycophants. Whats more if you buck this trend you tend to limit your skillset as societally we reward bullshit more than results.
South Park really got it right this season lol
On a side note, he’s smart for letting a lot of people back out of Proton services. The VPN speeds are better now.😆
What other email service is free and not a pos? Does one exist? Gotta pay to play I gues…
No free service is good if you care about privacy.
Tuta has a free Option.
I’m so glad I delayed switching over to proton.
Also fuck that guy. What an ass.
What did you end up switcheroo-ing to?
I went with Tuta because of the value/GB. Also they feel fully committed to the users’ rights and privacy.
Posteo mail, excellwnt provider, good ethics https://posteo.de/en
More expensive per GB than Tuta, for those wondering.
Slagging off his employees, slagging off his customers. Real bright spark this guy.
Yeah, I canceled my sub. I have no idea if the CEO of my new email provider is any better, but I know that Yen is abusive to his employees, and that matters to me. I know he’s deep in the throes of AI psychosis, and that makes me not trust him at all. I’m gone.
The services I use could be run by child-raping centaurs for all I know. But they keep their mouths shut and stay in the shadows. Ignorance is bliss.
What did you end up switching to?
Ah okay. I considered that one but Tuta had double the storage for the same price, so I went with them.
I feel like a good rule of thumb for Andy to say something, seemingly publicly or privately, is to just take a breath and then shut the fuck up instead. It seems like nothing he ever says brings comfort and confidence to his company’s users.
I highly suggest Thundermail (tb.pro) if you wanna switch to a libre email provider. Mozilla hosts stalwart and their own libre mail client for you, along with providing 15 mail aliases and 3 custom domains, for a small price. I have been using it as my daily since past few months. I haven’t found any bugs despite it being in beta.
Given Mozilla’s AI stance I can’t see it as an improvement. I never want to side with NOT-Mozilla but the way they handled the Firefox AI stuff was messy at the bare minimum.
As a direct Proton Mail replacement I’m migrating to tuta.com. Which funnily enough just got a Thunderbird add-on recently.
Which funnily enough just got a Thunderbird add-on recently.
I saw this earlier and got excited, just to find out it was just a browser tab inside of thunderbird.
Too late Andy. You are not going to be part of the tech overlord aristocracy, no matter how much you simp now.
Maybe it’s a good thing for you. May avoid the french doctor’s invention that way.
Some people should just never hold any sort of power. Most people shouldn’t, but some motherfuckers in particular.
