• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Do you think they can maintain that for another 5 years? Another 20?

    I think expecting NVIDIA to fail inside the next five years is a wild reach. You might expect Oracle to take haircut in the next five years, based on their atrocious debt load. But even then, the idea that they’ll miss a credit payment?

    Twenty years out, these firms are an even safer bet. Long term demand for compute and hosting services is only going up. And they’re so heavily consolidated. Too Big To Fail in every sense of the word. Are you going to bet against JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs on the eve of the financial crisis, even? Twenty years later, how are they doing?

    Are 5 AI companies providing more value than every other tech company in the last 50 years?

    It’s not a question of value, it’s a question of earnings growth. Will these top 5 AI companies be seeing stratospheric earnings growth in the next ten years? All signs point to “Yes”. The race to cement these data center footprints is a scramble for limited resources. The Capex budgets won’t be inflated to this degree forever.

    Dismissing them for their rapid expansion would be like betting against New York and Chicago real estate markets because you didn’t trust skyscrapers to be profitable in another 20 years. Or betting against U.S. Steel and Standard Oil at the apex of WW2, because the resource demand from the conflict can’t go on forever.

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      AI is just the NFT version of the GFR, again, in 2026 and much worse. No one will be hype farming it after this crash. All the larping “AI bro” channels will go. Influencers sitting on the beach with their laptops, shilling how it makes them $100,000 a month while they sleep. Those people will go… What I suspect will remain of the industry is a completely niche sector for specialised applications in schools, hospitals, higher education, and film & sound design; it can reduce some of the burden at work if implemented well. But most of the public will remain staunchly opposed to a subscription-based life where AI drives every IoT device in their home or vehicle and generates sloppy, hallucinated content that doesn’t help them but harms them.

      NOTE: In a survey, over 60% of Microsoft users say they actively seek ways to bypass online account processes for local accounts and encourage others to do the same. If you can’t sell the idea of mandatory sign-in just for syncing desktops because everyone understands why a PC is exactly that “a Personal Machine”, everything is supposed to stay & run locally if it is indeed “YOUR COMPUTER”… I don’t see the big 5 generating the revenue through online subscriptions to get them out of that debt spiral; local open-source AI models and cheaper hardware are the only way I see plausible mass adoption happening.

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      2 days ago

      I’m not saying they will fail I’m saying they will not maintain their rate of growth. Very, very different things but i guess you can pretend i said something else and argue against that or whatever idk dude lol

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        2 days ago

        I’m not saying they will fail I’m saying they will not maintain their rate of growth.

        They’ll hit a saturation point eventually, sure. But demand for capacity continues to outstrip supply.

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          16 hours ago

          I think demand is coming only from a small group of people, though; it’s definitely not the rest of the S&P 500, since they’re going bankrupt from it! lol

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          If you will hit a saturation point, at some point the demand will stop outstripping the supply. Once you cannot exapand, the supply will catch up simply because the demand decreases, not considering that the supply could simply increase.

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            1 day ago

            because the demand decreases

            Can you point to a five year span in the last century when demand for compute has decreased?

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              1 day ago

              We are not at a saturation point for computer, but if you look at other fields, like smartphone, in 2026 we are set for a -7.4% so it is not impossible or never happened.

              This can have a lot of causes, not last the increase in price, but in the case of the smartphones we somewhat hit a saturation point: there are very few people who can afford to have a phone who do not yet have it.

              Same with computer and/or compute power: at some point, given that the users are a finite number, we will reach a point where no new people (users) will use it and at that point the demand will stabilize: you have only so much time to do things, both works and free time, so the demand flat out or decreases.

              The demand decreases even going from building 10 new datacenter to building only 8 new datacenter.

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                if you look at other fields, like smartphone, in 2026 we are set for a -7.4% so it is not impossible or never happened.

                Consumer electronics and business compute demands are wildly different markets.

                The demand decreases even going from building 10 new datacenter to building only 8 new datacenter.

                That’s not a measure of demand